Dks, paladin, priest, warriors locks
Oh, I went to scroll up, but then I remembered it’s peppered into all the “you have a bad idea, guy” posts… I do know you said it though. Made me laugh, was memorable. Also another “nuh uh”. LOL
Censorship. You gonna get cancelled fool.
LOL, you think that’s showboating? Laughing at your absurdity isn’t showboating, it’s being honest. You make me laugh with all your backwards logic, and constant belittling, it’s like you have an inflated sense of self that is entirely undeserved.
Accept it is. Please, no more lies. Think of your blood pressure.
LOL. You said it, I mean, what choice do I have but to believe it, right? Not like you have to prove something is true when you say it. LMAO
Oh, so it’s the internet there are no rules? Gotcha, okay queen. BTW, my name is Liam Neeson, and I have a very special set of skills… hahahaha. You’re sad and lonely, awwww.
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“The fact that I got SIX whole likes is just more evidence that no-flying is far more popular than even I projected.”
You’re special, I’ll give you that. Just keep trollin trollin trollin… WHAT? Keep trollin trollin trollin… YEAH!
Say dumb stuff, get the truth slapped in your face and made to look dumb. This is the forums. Welcome, and goodbye. 
Warlocks? Really? How come? And DKs? Excellent. I’m gonna roll DK
I remember drain tanking on my little gnome warlock, it was so fun in wrath.
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My warlock friend is gonna enjoy that then. Good to know. Now if only I could get my no-flying realms then Wrath is gonna be peak WoW experience… again.
Well you have wintergrasp to look forward to
Is there a boost offered for WotLK classic?
What realm will you play on?
Im sure there will be.
If you like World PvP and don’t want to be hilariously outnumbered, then Grobbulus is pretty much one of the only realms left that is balanced. It’s surprisingly at about 50/50 right now (knock on wood)
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I might play a holy pally if someone wants to try and carry us up some arena ratings 
Not sure what you mean. The WoW Forums LOVE censorship.
You acting smug and superior and like you won when you didn’t is exactly showboating. It’s a very childish tactic used by people who can’t win arguments so they just try to trick other people into believing they won by acting as if they did.
I suppose real logic is backwards to a zoomer who doesn’t understand logic.
Normal people, at this point, would go back and prove that that was what I said (it wasn’t) but you don’t seem to have the attention span to actually hold yourself accountable for anything.
Still waiting for that to happen.
Tons of people accepting gold payments to carry others through arena ratings, apparently. At least on Grob
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Read what I wrote carefully. Laughing at your absurdity is not smug, nor superior. It has nothing to do with “winning”.
You’re being (at this point I’m convinced) purposefully absurd, making outlandish statements with absolutely nothing to back it up, and then challenging others to give you what you won’t give them, it’s hilarious. You try to sound smart, but anyone with actual brain cells can tell you’re being a troll or are actually that dense.
Your logic is; make statement, force others to disprove statement. I.E. backwards. When you make a statement in logical debate/conversation, you have to have facts to back it up. Not opinion, not feelings, but cold hard facts. Then the burden is on the opposition to attack or disprove the validity of the facts. You seem to think the opposite is true; that you can say whatever you want, and we either get to accept it, or ignore it, regardless of it’s validity; if we attempt to dissuade you, or prove you wrong, you ask for an explanation far beyond the scope of what you’ve provided, or outright ignore the point.
You ignore facts to push your narrative.
Normal people would write more than “nuh uh”… So I don’t know what you were expecting.
I’m not the one ducking responsibility for what I said.
Oh, it has, it’s either too complicated for you to understand, or you’ve just outright ignored it. Doesn’t make it any less true. Keep living in your copium state of ignorance.
It’s literally you acting smug because you think it makes you win the argument. And it has everything to do with winning because you’re petty. The problem is you have zero or even negative self-awareness and can’t see this for yourself.
No you don’t. You think you do but you don’t
“Hurr but then how can I know you anything you say is true? You have to provide a source!” No, I don’t. Because this isn’t a debate on a stage or in a college debate club. It’s a discussion about opinion on the internet. Asking for sources in a debate on the internet is nothing but muddying the water and intentionally derailing the argument.
We are debating opinion. There is no facts to be had. Stop being ridiculous.
There is zero burden of proof on anyone except for people like you making claims that they have proof that large numbers of people are against flying. Inb4 you try to, once again, pretend that the forums are “evidence”. They’re not. And any intelligent person can see that.
Yes. That is how online discussions work.
There are no facts to be had.
So that’s how your brain works huh? Reads, normal, intelligent, English and dumbs it down into simple monkey-like grunts so that it can be more easily by digested for one with your intellect.
I’m not ducking anything. Your accusations are based on lies and your failure to comprehend basic language.
Rich coming from you. It’s okay though. I remember when I was like you. I thought I was so smart when I was your age. You’ll get there eventually.
Keep inferring that if it makes you feel better.
When you accused me of this before, I thought I made it fairly clear; it’s not about winning, it’s about you ignoring facts, and making grand assumptions, misrepresenting information and then presenting it all as fact.
Nah mate, this is where you say I’m being XYZ, because you don’t have an actual argument. I generally just ignore adhoms because to me, it’s hilarious. For you though, I went that extra mile to point out how daft you’re actually being.
Not in your world, apparently.
So you representing a larger body of people that “support you”, and number in “the thousands”… you haven’t been throwing that around like it exists, right? Here’s a fun fact for you; regardless of the structure of conversation, you can’t just make stuff up and say it like it’s true. Adding also, you can’t just act like everybody else is stupid because they want you to prove what you’re saying is true. Your OP mentions NOTHING about opinion, it’s literally telling people what they want, and that everybody wants it.
In your world, I guess. How’s the Queen of England, I hear you live in the palace these days…
There are plenty of facts to be had, just because you choose to ignore them to push a narrative, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. Head in the sand, check.
Isn’t your main premise that there is a large number of people in support of no flying realms?
Once again, they’re only evidence when you say they are, amirite?
No. Otherwise, I’d be able to infer, or outright say, you were of German heritage and enjoyed baking human meat pies. You see why truth and arguing honestly matters?
Not if you keep ignoring them I guess.
Well, when attempting to communicate with one, yes? I mean, you can pretty it up however you want, google synonyms etc, it still says the same thing, right?
I mean, I guess? You lied, so yes, my accusations are based off your lies, and your failure to comprehend basic language apparently prevents you from acknowledging that…
It’s funny you mention that, in fact, you keep mentioning that. I mean, I can agree that responding to every post is a bit on the childish side for me. I’ve already let you talk yourself into looking as brilliant as you are, so everything after that has been overkill. Realistically the only one acting like a child is you though, constantly condescending, with your hyper inflated ego like you hold some moral high ground. Don’t worry, kiddo, you’ll get there someday…
And the reason you find it important to tell me this… is because you want to win the argument. You saying “it’s not about winning” as you keep trying to win the argument, is pretty hilarious.
We’ve already gone over all the “”“arguments”“” you had ad nauseam.
Try not using words you don’t understand. I haven’t used an ad hominem fallacy once in my this entire thread. Try googling what ad hominem is before you respond btw. But ofc you’ll just wrongly assume that I don’t know what the term means when I do. I’ll give you a hint: ad hominem and insults are two completely different things.
In the REAL WORLD, internet discussions do not require sources. There is no burden of proof and implying there is, is nothing but a underhanded tactic to avoid confronting the actual arguments.
I can, actually. Whether or not you what I say is up to you.
There’s only one person that, I, am personally acting like is stupid. And it’s not an act :^) Everyone else gave up once they realized their arguments were bad and left.
I don’t have the time, or the crayons, to explain to you what’s wrong with this assessment of yours.
Show me one. I’ve already asked you to show me facts and you have yet to even try to do so. Unless you think pointing at meaningless forum numbers constitutes facts and evidence.
Yes.
“Aha! See? So where’s your evidence for that?? U got none cuz ur a walking L. Sus.”
I don’t have any and I don’t need any because I never implied that what I said was a verifiable fact. And you’ve continued to deny my claim, also without evidence, which leaves that tangent at a stalemate. I do not need to prove that there are thousands of people who support no-flying, I just know there are and I will continue to assert this until evidence is provided to the contrary. Which there never will be.
I think it requires double digit IQ, at this point, to assert, yet again, that I implied that the forums are evidence of anything. Me saying that 6 people liked my OP was an observation. It wasn’t an argument, it wasn’t me implying that that’s statistical evidence, it was an observation in a vacuum. Nothing more.
No, it doesn’t because we’re having a discussion on the internet and there’s no reason for me to try and discredit anything you have to say. I rather just dispute the logic, or in your case, lack thereof, on its own merit, rather than relying on the crutch of demanding sources for everything my opponent says in an attempt to muddy the waters.
No I didn’t. But feel free to prove that I did.
I’ll give you credit: that was a pretty good impersonation of me. Not perfect, but good.
There is no try… this “argument” was over weeks ago. Everything else has been mining for memes… this mine runs deep. Keep thinking any point made is about “winning” though.
Oh, cool. So you acknowledge your idea is bad then?
Oh, but I do. It’s actually quite funny you keep accusing me of using words incorrectly, kind of shows the level of intelligence I’m working with here. Adhoms are when you use your snide little comments to attack my character, rather than the argument. Your responses are rife with them, but hey, those are just playground insults. I didn’t ignore your entire argument just to call you stupid… =P You’re a real winner kid.
In the REAL WORLD, all conversations require sources. You can’t just say whatever you want. I mean, you can technically, but you can also be sued for libel/slander depending on format.
So just to clarify, you’re admitting you’re a proponent of lying to win an argument? Good talk.
I mean sure, you can say whatever you want, but you can’t claim it to be true in any sense of the word. Also keeping in mind that if it’s damaging, it then falls under libel/slander, so no, you can’t say whatever you want, but pretty close. Still makes you a liar though.
Haha, it’s actually hilarious if you actually believe that. No, they realized troll is troll, and have been watching on the side lines and laughing at this entire back and forth we’re having. How many people did you accuse of acting “emotionally”, or described as “hostile”? ‘YuMaDbRo?’
They realized that if you argue with stupid people, they drag you down to their level and beat you to death with experience. I’m just sadly a glutton for punishment…
First. Three. Sentences.
I have. You just ignore them, or strawman. I don’t have the patience to continue to type the same things over and over…
Ahhh, nice, we’re piling on now. “I stated it as fact, but I didn’t say it was a verifiable fact”
“Just to please thousands of players who have been asking for this for about a decade.”
“I am not the sole person who wants no-flying in the entire wow playerbase. There are thousands of us.”
“I highly disagree with this assessment. There are many, many players who would gladly play Wrath with no-flying.”
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you’ve insinuated that you know what’s best for the game and everyone else is just flat wrong.
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Not insinuating it. It’s a fact."
“The point is that you can’t back up any of your claims so you have zero arguments to say why my idea is bad.”
“Stop using that word (OXYMORON). You clearly don’t know what it means. Try saying “this is contradictory””
No no no, no backtracking now kid. It’s your bed, lie in it;
This is proof of your illogical thought processes. You’ve presented an idea, and made claim that “everybody wants it”. You’ve also already claimed your trolldom in that statement, but that’s irrelevant. I’ve given you my reasoning, and you’ve ignored it, even though it’s based on facts, verifiable facts no less. You’ve continued to push this narrative, escalating to the point where now you have to back off your initial points. People who claim to be logical, and then claim that asking for a source is “muddying the water” is clearly illogical. That’s basic logic 101.
Just scroll up, I’ve done it a few times.
No no no, my impression of you is perfect; “ooo, ooo, ooo, ahhh, ahhh, ahhh”.
Meaning you think you “won” the argument. As in you’re not trying to do so because you already did it (lol no). So… it IS about winning. Glad you admitted that.
No. If you were literate you would realize that that meant that we went over all the arguments either of us can make over and over that there’s no further ground to be made.
You demonstrated clearly you don’t know what an ad hominem fallacy is. You LITERALLY just PROVED you don’t know what ad hominem is.
No. That isn’t what ad hominem is. An ad hominem fallacy is pointing out flaws in someone’s character and trying to make that an argument. Me calling you a zoomer is an observation, it’s a side note. And has nothing to do with my argument. It was never once incorporated or related to my argument. But ofc my explanation is going to go over your head and no matter how factual or correct I am you’re going to insist that whatever I say is wrong. But for anyone watching: Cyo has no clue what ad hominem is and can’t figure out the difference between ad hominem and insults.
Lol. No they don’t.
You literally can.
So sue me lmao.
I didn’t lie about anything. All my claims are made to the best of my knowledge.
You have quite the imagination. Are they cheering you on too? Hilarious.
That’s because you’re as petty as I am, if not more. Which is hard to beat.
The fact that you don’t know what ad hominem is leads me to believe that you probably don’t know what is and isn’t a strawman fallacy either.
None of this is me claiming any of those things are verifiable fact. I would explain further but I know that my efforts would be wasted on you.
It was evidence pointing towards the veracity of my evidence-less claims. I didn’t say it was irrefutable, and I purposely said evidence there to bait you, because I knew it would set you off. Admittedly, I forgot I said that… but it’s obvious that the forums aren’t evidence. That is my final word on the matter and I stand by it. If you want to disregard the 6 or 7 likes I got then go ahead. The forums aren’t evidence. But that doesn’t stop me from privately affirming my own opinions with my interpretations of the ramifications of the like numbers.
No I didn’t. Stop trying to sound smart. My little rant about the likes, exceeding my expectations was not an argument. It was an irrelevant side tangent and me trolling you, which should have been obvious.
No you didn’t
I don’t speak whatever language you’re trying to use here.
There is no “think”… It ended weeks ago. Everything after has been gravy. It’s not about “winning”… you can’t win a game after it’s over.
Well except the inevitable, of course. You know what that is. Do your loops, play your songs, around and round we go.
I’m sorry, I missed the part where addressed my actual arguments instead of insinuating my intelligence? “You’re too stupid to understand, and therefore it’s not worth my time to explain my point” is in fact, an ad hom. Please, and I mean this in all seriousness, do not use logical fallacies as a crutch. You don’t understand them.
Glad you found it on google, but it’s actually defined as any argument made towards a person, rather than their position. Great Google search skills though.
FIFY
Oh, but they do, at least, with intelligent people. Sorry you’re so low brow.
Sure, but not without consequences, right? Those consequences being exposed, publicly, as a liar… in this case? Good talk.
Try and weasel your way out of it. You can try and try… this thread is literally full of your contradictions, your smarmy insults, your ad homs, your insinuations. You are on full display.
I didn’t say that. I mean, what’s the point in arguing with you… Everything you say “isn’t what you said” after you said it, right? I mean, I’ve linked it, I’ve quoted it, and we’ll get to it. You can’t hide from the things you’ve said.
Well, at least you’re admitting you’re petty, and the one with all the experience
FIFY, again.
No, it’s you stating it as a fact. There is no assertion of doubt. You don’t state “there could be thousands of us”, you state that there are thousands of you. You are stating these as though they could be quantified, but are unverified. Dance around with the language all you want, you dun f’d up sun.
You really do enjoy splitting those hairs, don’t you?
Rare to get the troll to admit they are a troll… We did it!
I bet that happens a lot. Likely from all the meds, amirite? You know, because you’re so much older and wiser than I?
Disregard them as what? All I’ve been saying is that 6 people liked your OP… that’s a far cry from “a thousand strong”. Hell, your comparison to Classic’s ‘friction’ isn’t even comparable, it got more likes in 10 minutes than your idea got in a month.
I highlighted the key term in that phrase, though finally, in this whole slog of a thread, I found something you’ve said correct.
So everything you say is trolling, check. By narrative, I mean that making your proposed changes are simple, and minor; would be beloved; and that thousands of people support it. So again, when you read what I write, and then interpret it poorly, it just highlights how sad this whole thing has been.
Yea, and in fine fashion, if I do say so myself.
Sure you do don’t play stupid now, you’re trying to sound super smart… you know what that says…
It’s actually astonishing that you’re still able to maintain your delusional perception that you actually are correct in any way intelligent.
No, it wasn’t. Because it wasn’t an argument. I announced that I was not going to make an argument, or explain a concept to you because it would be a waste of time. That isn’t me discrediting any of your arguments based on said lack of intelligence, it was me announcing my decision to not argue based on observations of patterns in your behavior. It isn’t even close to ad hominem. You actually and irrefutably don’t know what ad hominem. And stop repeating back my words to me like saying
Because it forces me to repeat myself and makes it look like we’re both meaninglessly just repeating what the other one says. When you are irrefutably and provably wrong in this case.
I would try to find a way to force you to realize your failure to understand these words, similar to how one would make a dog smell it’s own feces after it defecates somewhere it shouldn’t. But, I think, in your case, you would just eat it and the lesson would have zero effect on you. As always.
You wanna talk to me about delusional? Good luck.
Sure sounded like an argument. I guess that’s on me, I forget, when you say things, you didn’t really say things, or that’s not what you meant, or .
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight… you should go back and read your thread… LOL.