No Disc Oracles to be seen on Warcraft Logs

As was 100% expected. Out of the top 100 parses on WCL for Heroic, Oracle sees between 0 and 3% play on average on each boss (mostly 0%). And there is currently no tuning slotted for the reset. Any reason that we’ve been saying this for literal months now and it has been completely ignored?

We’re not lying. It’s atonement output is hotdog-water. It’s more work for less reward. There is no reason to play it. Now we have the official data to just prove what we’ve been saying is right.

Idk :eyes:

I hear every single Oracle say they prefer it coz it is way more engaging and fun than VW. Lol
Plus a well-played Oracle Pumps too.

People just don’t know how to play it I guess. That’s why they prefer VW’s “passive” output.

(I can very much be wrong too lol)

Certainly, the collective Disc Priest community across the world and the hero spec sees less than 3% of play. But it’s because no one in the world has figured it out yet. Then please, enlighten us.

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Well, I would like to know as well.
Ms. Sarcasm.

All those people coming rip-roaring singing joys of how Oracle is so much better and feels like Real Disc.

Where are all these people lmao?

I guess talking down trash on VWs doesn’t really make them better now lol

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Disc Oracle here. It’s not an easy build but once you get used to putting premonition your regular rotation it isn’t so bad. When things go well I actually feel OP.

If you stay ahead of premonition you can break some mechanics.

It’s almost as if balance requires more than a couple days of data rolling in from raids.

Every Change they have in the patch are minor adjustments. If something is seriously wrong with Oracle, it clearly didn’t reach the level that required immediate action. Or there isn’t enough data for what needs to be changed yet.

If something is not being played at all it means one of:

  • The effort is not validated for the reward
  • It’s flat out under-tuned
  • The kit is not mechanically useful for solving problems

There is no extra data needed. When people are not playing something, completely unwilling to try something, it means it’s not working and in need of attention.

Yes, what needs to change is up in the air perhaps. However Blizzards biggest fault on class design is their unwillingness to buff something until they get the Dev hours to fix things the right way. The balance team is not the dev team. You can add temporary triages and hot fixes via aura mods until employee-hours can be dedicated to figuring out the right way to do something.

Instead they frequently choose to leave things completely unplayable and unplayed for months or seasons on end.

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Void is so much more fun, radiance on group damage shield on cd and play dps.

Was maintaining like 200k dps and 600k hps on most fights and I knew zero mechanics, and have done like 20 raids in my whole life.

Oracle Disc is NOT good in raid in comparison to Voidweaver.

If there was a thought it would be good there, people are a little out of their minds. Its best case scenarios would put it like 25% lower healing than Voidweaver, maybe even 30%.

Oracle is pretty solid in 5 man content right now, but it really has nothing in comparison to VW for a burst window, and its strongest aspects in those 5 mans are target capped and won’t work in raid.

I don’t know if it actually comes down to being undertuned overall - but more that there’s nothing that is good in raid in the Oracle toolkit. They… MIGHT be able to play spot healer and toss bubbles out constantly with defensive penance - but at that point they should just be playing Holy.

Also worth considering that… well, Voidweaver is keeping up with other strong healers in 30 man content. The content that Disc is generally very weak during. So there’s a non-zero chance they get nerfed.

The current designs for discipline, voidweaver, and oracle necessitate that oracle is a weaker healer than voidweaver because it is instantly better in basically every way the moment its ramp healing is comparable.

Blizzard is backed into a corner on oracle because archon/voidweaver bring no real value outside of healing, but oracle brings a couple of quality of life benefits. They spent all of their priest dev time making oracle barely palatable so voidweaver and archon are still in alpha states and are fine and playable but so one-dimensional that they are required to pump numbers or be abandoned.

Oh Voidweaver is not in its alpha state. Alpha state was incredibly busted beyond belief, lol.

That said, the QoL that oracle brings isn’t really so fantastic as to say it couldn’t heal in raid.

The corner they backed themselves into was making Oracle work far more as the ‘direct’ healer in playstyle. While Voidweaver is just atonement but with a ton of injected damage.

The former playstyle will never work in raid for pure HPS unless it’s overtuned to oblivion. In 5 mans? It’s great, it has quite a lot of HPS actually. But you can’t rapture a whole raid. Piety’s overhealing cleave in dungeon you can immediately shield/FH yourself for your whole healthbar before you pop it and it will generate a decent chunk. In raid, if you do this, it barely makes a difference because you’ll only get ~5 people back up with it. Solace is… well it’s just bad in raid for holy too, lol.

Like the entire hero tree was designed with direct healing in mind. But the spec has atonement, which scales as high as your target cap. Of course the hero spec that injects a bunch of atonement healing is going to be better when targets are >5-6

I mostly meant that voidweaver’s (and archon’s) design is identical to its alpha state with no meaningful changes while oracle was changed regularly. I’m aware that voidweaver was nerfed repeatedly and is, rightfully, a shadow of its original tuning.