Night Fae - Alliance Allied Race Request

I keep seeing “Neutral.” I understand that people are worried their faction won’t get what they deem is “cool” but factions need to be factions and stay split and that includes adding races. Making the Pandaren neutral was a mistake. Look at how much story development they get. Oh, none.

I’ve said in another thread that if blizzard were to dissolve the factions then netural would be fine, but they are not going to do that. Having neutral races takes away flavor from the story and from the factions, plus if there is an imbalance neutral races won’t help. Nobody would have any inkling to want to play on the opposite side, so that would just double down on it.

No neutral races.

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Right? XD
I really just want them to be available immediately without having to like wait around and stuff or have requirements.

I did notice that the Horde are getting a lot of Variety where as the Alliance are just getting “Humans but with something extra.”, it’s a little tiring honestly and I think the Night Fae would be a nice break from that.
While I would love for them to be playable regardless of where they are I just hope they’re primarily on the Alliance who desperately needs some oomph.

I do sorta miss the factions have more of one thing than the other but they really should at least try to keep the Druids even. With the Alliance short a single Druid race, the Night Fae are most likely the only ones who can be Druids. If the Night Fae go to the Horde when a night elven night fae banner has been found in their files it’s going to be rough.

There was never really any specialness to the Alliance if we’re being realistic. We have 6.5 human races where as the Horde has a nice, healthy mixture. A lot of people think Alliance HAS to have ‘human looking races only’ but that’s just going to drive new players away I think.

I also don’t think they will be adding classes, while it would be wonderful to see a bard or necromancer added to the game this Xpac is all about customization at the present so maybe the next one we will see something cool.

They are 100% opening the door to new storytelling, this is modern WoW now. The old story is gone and we’re headed in to some new stuff so the Horde/Alliance lines are probably going to blur further racially unless Blizz desides “Oh lets give them another human but maybe have them hunched this time, or another human but with sticks coming out of their ears”. Like come on, as cool of a concept the Kyrian are, they’re just humans but blue.

But classes that make factions stand out again would be super cool but it would also be difficult to balance I imagine.

As much as new neutral races would be cool I agree with you. The Pandaren were originally supposed to be Alliance according to Metzen once upon a time and I feel like they should have gone that route in Mists and gave the Hozen to the Horde or something; those little buggers are amusing.

As much as I would love to see the factions disolve so I have have Nightborne and Highmountain on the Alliance I unfortunately don’t see that happening.

I love more races Horde side than Alliance personally, the only Horde races I don’t like are green orcs; I adore the Mag’har like you wouldn’t believe however. Where as Alliance I despise humans, gnomes, mechagnomes, kul tirans, Dwarves (Not Dark Iron). There is no appeal to play Alliance and I think it’s time to start breaking the mold with the Alliance.

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I advocated blue eyes for blood elves, I’m gonna back this up too.

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Actually, that connection is still up for debate.

See, here’s the thing…

…before the night elves were elves, all elves were trolls. Trolls are the original inhabitant race of Azeroth, predating the arrival of the titans. So when we talk about the wild gods of Ardenwield we’re not just talking about Cenarius and his compatriots.

…we’re also talking about all of the Loa, who are literally the brothers and sisters of Cenarious.

So the Night Fae are most definitely not a Night Elf monopoly, and there might be a hard truth there that the night elves get to learn: That they’re not quite as special as they believe.

That said, I really, really, really want Ardenwield to go in depth about Wisps. What they are, why they are, what they do, why they exist, etc. I feel that there is a LOT that has been 100% unexplored to a virtually criminal degree about Wisps and what part they play in the night elf lifecycle.

…also, why don’t blood elves turn into wisps when they die? Or trolls? In this case why are Night Elves actually special?

But, to get back to the topic at hand…the night fae satyr-looking dudes could become Horde. So long as the Alliance got something equally cool, it might be an interesting plot twist.

I kind of doubt that since tyrande is gonna go trough a big journey there and i assume there will be some major revelation about Elune’s nature there, so there is an easy link to be made between the Fauns and the elves.

Not even starting to talk about their zone aesthetic resembling a lot more the natural style of val’sharah and the wild gods/ ancients than loa based ones that we see on zandalar (even though they might show up there aswell) .

Also one of the older myths the night elfs have about their creation involved Elune shaping them into their current forms ( why they look like more humanoid versions of cenarius/keepers of the grove and dryads which are descendants of Elune than their troll heritage) maybe they will give that theory some validity beyond the wells energies alone having changed them.

The exciting part is that since this is pretty much new lore in the making, anything is possible.

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(Commentary): While this is certainly true, I think why most people feel Ardenweald and the Night Fae will connect more to the Night Elves specifically, is not because of the Ancients, but rather, because of Elune. The Night Elves have their own mythos regarding the afterlife, and Ardenweald fits it to an extent. This is most visible through Elune’s direct intercession on behalf of Ysera, who then ends up in Ardenweald.

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This is assuming that the truth behind Elune isn’t that she somehow perverted trolls when she turned them into night elves.

Honestly, that would be far more interesting than something boring like “night elves are the chosen of the wild gods!” like has been written on the wall for 16 years but never acted on.

Imagine this storyline…

Tyrande and Malfurion walk into Ardenwield expecting to be treated with open arms, fist bumps, and high-fives, only to be attacked by the enemies of Cenarius: The Night Fae.

You talk to Cenarius and he tells you of his great shame: that he is no longer consider to be one of the wild gods, and that his brothers and sisters rejected him here in Ardenweald long, long ago when the titans created the Emeral Dream and tore him and his kin from the lands of the dead to populate the titan-created plane of life in what the Night Fae consider an “artificial cosmos” or something (otherwise, [insert event here involving the creation of the night elven race]).

That turns the night elf storyline in Ardenweald from a boring “learn how great and awesome the night elves are!” into something actually interesting. It turns into one of learning, redemption, and acceptance as Tyrande and Malfurion try to earn acceptance for their people in the land of the dead and repair a many millennium-long rift in the ranks of the wild gods of Azeroth by helping Cenarius redeem himself.

It turns the zone story from one of observation into one of choice where the leaders of the night elves get to actually drive story forward by choosing to reject what they were made into for whatever mysterious reason (to be dug into later in an elune expansion) and to become a part of the cycle of life.

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(Commentary): I do not believe Night Elf lore can take much more, “Interesting,” stories like this. At that point, what even is the race anymore?

(Statement): Cenarius did not exist at the time of the creation of the Emerald Dream, nor did any of the Wild Gods. They only came into existence after the Ordering of Azeroth by the Titans. The Emerald Dream preceded the Wild Gods, as they arose after Azeroth was brought into order. Not only that, but Cenarius is the product of Malorne, a Wild God, and the Goddess Elune. I find it more likely that the Winter Queen is the true identity of his Mother than Elune at this point.

(Commentary): I’m going to have to agree to disagree. I think this kind of narrative direction would just ruin what is left of Night Elf lore and culture. I think the story is going to be one of choice regardless, albeit one players are somewhat dreading anyways; does Tyrande choose to lead her people on a path of unending vengeance, or does she choose the path forward that gives her people a better chance of survival in the long term?

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Its polite not to spoil SL broadcast text, thanks bud.

This makes me wonder why Sethraliss got a pass.

She was obviously a Loa chosen to use some of the limited anima to be reborn.

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I personally can’t see the night fae joining the horde. They visually have a theme that’s been alliance exclusive so far, Tyrande will have a huge role in the zone as well as Elune in some way.
The datamined crests are most likely placeholders like how they all also have stuff like “skeleton, tuskarr etc” in the files. It’s still very early alpha. We have to wait and see what happens.

Let’s hope we get something new about Sethraliss. This could also explain why she is simply an avatar with the shape of a large sethrak instead of her true old form of a giant snake.

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Agreed. Whether Sethrak come to pass as playable or not, I still want to see more on their and their Loa’s lore. :snake::heart:

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While they look really nice I would rather have a more unique Allied Race.

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What are they now? We don’t know because they’ve been neglected for 16 years.

If all the devs are going to do are the most obvious, boring story they could possibly think of, they might as well do nothing because story quality is what everyone has been complaining about.

I was just writing an example of what it could be like. I’m not 100% versed on the ancient lore of Azeroth as-written.

The problem is that there isn’t any night elf lore, and all of their culture got burned to a cinder. Shadowlands would be a perfect chance to completely re-invent the race, or rather allow them to choose to reinvent themselves.

It’s not like “reinvention” in this case means growing a third arm or anything drastic. It means they get to learn something about themselves they didn’t know before, that they then have to come to terms with, and then somehow make their own through action and agency.

You know…character development?

On Alliance? No thanks. They are literally just draenei with fur on their legs. Alliance already has 2 playable draenei races that have tons of overlap.

Give these to the Horde. They lack a draenei skeleton race.

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And they should never have it, but knowing blizz they probably will.

Males are completely different though.

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I mean, new races/allied races are not really meant to just hand out free skeletons for both factions…
Vulpera share the goblin skeleton but are considerably diferent and more popular.
I for one would love to play a male model like that that isn’t as big or bulky as a male draenei.

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(Statement): Night Elven culture and identity was delivered to us during Warcraft 3, wherein we saw them fairly well defined and developed. That is who they are, that is what they are. It’s a fairly strong foundation for their identity, and tearing it up through development seems like disloyalty to the source material. A story for the Night Elves should build upon that foundation, not break it up and leave them mired in slow installments of a story that leaves their loyal and passionate players unsatisfied.

(Commentary): As said above, as far as races go, they’ve easily got one of the strongest foundations of lore of any playable race in the entire franchise.

(Commentary): Character development comes in many forms. A good story builds on a foundation, it doesn’t break it apart to plant the seeds for another story that are ultimately going to be ignored until it’s some thorny weed and the authors realize they should’ve left that foundation alone.

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Background is only one part of a character, and means nothing if you don’t do anything with it or them. And the wow devs haven’t done anything with the night elves worth anything since WC3. They had one zone story in legion that mostly involved Tyrande running around telling us how much she loves Malfurion, and one bit around a temple that was really more about the legion attacking it to obtain a pillar than it was about the night elves themselves.

That’s only part of it. Character development involves change. The movement from a place of comfort, to a place of discomfort, and then the transition back. It involves the reaction to stimuli from the character’s point of view so that we can learn more about them than we previously knew.

Nightelves have a background. Wonderful…

Everyone has a background!

The Horde has had things done with their background. They’ve gone so far as to go back in time to see how things could have been had they made one different choice somewhere along the line. We’ve seen how the horde reacts to losing leaders. We’ve seen how the Horde reacts to internal strife. We’ve seen how the Horde reacts to delicate situations AND not so delicate situations, and we’ve seen how they react to times of strife and times of peace.

That’s character development.

We’ve seen nearly nothing of the sort for the alliance. Not by comparison (unless you’re a Dwarf…but that’s somewhat counter-balanced by the Dwarves not really having any remaining noteworthy NPCs to their names that aren’t neutral)

We’ve seen how Anduin reacted to the death of his father. We’ve seen how Jainia handles to her homecoming (and that story was amazing). We got to see King Varian grow from berzerker-warrior to king to elder statesman to true hero (before he was exploded). We’ve seen the dwarves deal with their internal clan politics and try to reunite their entire race. And we’ve seen Genn be Genn.

We’ve seen how alliance NPCs get to deal with things. Now how The Alliance deals with things.

We haven’t seen the Night Elves really do anything other than their best imitation of kindling.

The only thing they’ve got going to them is that they’re not Gnomes…who have somehow managed to do even less than the night elves, in aggregate, since the game was released.

Look. Here’s the point I’m trying to make.

If we go into Ardenweald and see a story about Tyrande and Malfurion rather than a story about Night Elves, the devs aren’t doing their jobs because that story makes us observers rather than participants. Even if we get to take orders, run around, and kill half the zone all we’re doing is observing. Even if your character is a night elf all you get to do in that scenario is observe. It doesn’t actually involve you.

Look at WoD. For all its fault, it got this aspect correct (actually, most of the complaints about WoD are content-related. The only real story complaint involves Yrel’s story getting chopped). Horde players, and Orcs in particular, are all directly involved in the story as they get to walk around and go “My horde is better than your Horde!” the entire expansion (and this was also true for the Alliance to a lesser extent as any Draenei characters were in much the same situation).

Generally, when stories are told in WoW, the alliance get to observe as other people do things. It’s their #1 complaint when they complain that their story is bad, or is falling flat, or that they feel like a punching bag.

For as great as Varian’s story before his demise was, the alliance players just observed him do stuff.

For as great as Anduin’s journey from boy to man to king to leader has been (he ain’t done yet, IMO) alliance players are still just observers.

By contrast, when the Horde story is about Garrosh going bad, horde players get to do something about it. We get the siege of Oggrimar raid and you get to go in and take him down.

When we go back in time we get to see how the Horde might have been.

When Sylvanas goes bad (and is "totally not Garrosh"™), the observational storyline actually gives the player a choice to make and works to involve them by giving just a little bit of agency.

If I’m being honest, The Burning of Teldrassil was the single best piece of story the alliance has ever had since WoW launch. In almost every other piece of Alliance story, all they get to say is “look at that happen to them”. However, for night elf characters in the burning, they could say “Look at what’s happening to me!”

That is the difference, and why I hope Ardenweald is more than just story about Tyrande.

Honestly if the Fauns are being added as an race (on the alliance i hope) i’d rather they have a good storyline and fleshed out lore more akin to what they did with nightborne and less on what they did with void elfs.

Tyrande is gonna have a big character arch there and there is probably gonna be some Elune and night elf lore overall, as well as some drust lore.

But i rather they still take the time to make an intresting race/culture instead of trying to ‘‘advance’’ night elf lore and fail again, i just accepted them to be blizzard’s oficial punching bag by now and the best thing that they can do is giving them some allies who are like minded (aka the Fauns) to help rebuild their cities/forests.

Like, remember on WC3 when a big part of night elf culture/units used to be not just the night elves themselves but also a variety of allies of the natural world like dryads, keepers of the grove, mountain giants, chimeras, faerie dragons. I’d wager that the Fauns would be an extension on that.

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