Can we try an expansion without a borrowed power system. Please Blizzard?
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I don’t think most of the Good expansions had these systems that grant you power. I know MoP didn’t have them, even WoD didn’t have them.
Please, for the love of all things good in this world, follow the KISS theory.
Keep
It
Short and
Simple
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No, you cant.
Blizzard’s current design philosophy is to have vertical progression, but theoretically without ability or systems bloat.
The only way for them to keep giving us new things that stack on top of eachother without that bloat is to periodically take it away.
I dont think they’re ever conceivably going to switch to horizontal progression, and I dont think they can break their addiction to adding all these convoluted systems, so Borrowed Power is the name of the game forever my boy.
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If Shadowlands is anything like BFA was, I seriously doubt I’ll care enough to play 10.0.
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I won’t be playing then but I think without the c urrent set up would be great.
Create a new ‘type’ of talent tree… reinvent the progression system… stop focusing on these throw-a-ways that they spend half the expansion on to get it right.
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we’re learning a culture’s art. there’s something immersive and cool and rpg about that. we’d naturally be taught or gifted spells, abilities, modifiers and even items to assist in the situations of those we befriend. I don’t consider it borrowed, I consider it part of our adventure like the potion and rope in lotr, the ocarina in Zelda, the sword of Gryffindor in cos, etc. things we need and use from friends to accompany us on our journeys.
Or instead of borrowed power, they could try their hand at a singular post max level progression.
No more increasing in level, rather you level up your new system, new abilities would be introduced in this system to a certain point but everything you do count towards it, including leveling alts.
For all of ESO flaws, their end game progression is not one in my eyes.
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Sure thing, I’ve got you.
If we got to keep across new expansions the Covenant’s powers that we chose, I would be very much of a different mindset on them. I would see them as progressions of my characters that were meaningful RPG choices. You did not see Link discarding the Ocarina or the Master Sword when he completed a dungeon or defeated a boss.
You did see it at the end of the game, but never during the experience. That is the big problem with WoW and something that Final Fantasy thankfully avoids. Our characters continue on and so should what they learn.
we should keep an ability or spell or something from our journeys. I think we do sometimes, such as certain legion weapon traits being given to classes but I’d love if our characters carried over something that way it will make our journeys over the long haul memorable and meaningful. each time you use something you learned from shadowlands, you’ll have taken that bit of your experience and travels with you onto new adventures.
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They could. And then we could have another round of pruning when we hit 75+ keybinds again.
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Yea, not borrowed at all. We just conveniently “forget” how to use the spells we supposedly learned every 2 years. That’s totally not borrowed though.
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Agreed. I think I would much rather remember how to cast Door of Shadows, since Mage and Warlock each have their own escape methods, as do Void Elf Priests. Couple that with spells like “Vampiric Touch” mind dominance spells, and the fact S.Priest turns into a shadowy mist, well all of that screams “Vampire Magic” to me from a RPG standpoint.
Let folks use the Shadowlands powers across expansions as a new beginning RPG styled base that people can build off, and then lets see where it goes. If something gets Meta or OP, sure nerf it. Sometimes you have to, sucky though it is.
But otherwise Blizzard really needs to chill, and let the players have fun while they still have them. Because at the rate they are going their playerbase will not be back when they quit, and last I checked you still need to make money to turn a profit.
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So we are forever damned to wear this accursed Ring on a chain around our neck.
it’s not borrowed while we’re learning and using it, and if we bring it with us next expansion, it’s not borrowed. sorry but we’re learning a culture’s art, we’re hopefully bringing some of it with us and some it will probably only be usable in the actual shadowlands where it is allowed to be used lore-wise
Indeed. Legion artifacts: disabled at the end of the expac. Corruptions: disabled at the end of the expac. Essences: disabled for shadowlands content. Yea, not borrowed at all. Covenants will be just like those.
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So what is the alternative here? A talent tree you need to scroll through? 80+ keybinds? Not getting any new abilities at all?
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I think they’ll see the requests. people all over have been begging for more rpg elements, and being able to carry over abilities and spells and visuals and stuff we learn from cultures in other lands would be a pinnacle example of that. even if we had to pick and choose which of the various possible things sort of like talents and similar. We should be able to…as long as it makes sense lore-wise. for instance if an ability is only usable in let’s say adrenweald, perhaps that would have to stay as it’s a feature that can only be used in that forest, or heck maybe it can tag along too depending on how the story goes
Big fan of Bellular?
Strong disagree. ESO’s end-game is probably the most boring end-game I’ve played in an MMO.
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I’m not. I’m about ready to bite my own finger off, or in my case drop characters I’ve played since Classic. If biting that finger off, to use the Lord of the Rings correlation; leads to freedom from the constant bull-crap, general pettiness, and disappointment I’ve seen since CRZ’s implementation, so be it. But I think I’ll let someone else be the one to clutch the ring and diabolically cheer with glee at what they’ve wrought. You know why?
Because ultimately they are the idiots who’ll be left thinking. “Oh. Right. The floor is lava.”