Because dungeons are almost entirely pre-scripted/pre-telegraphed, predictable NPCs, Item level is less important than being a good player/knowing the dungeons. Just ball-park figures, but you can probably do +10’s at ~440 item level, and +15’s can probably be started with as low as ~450 item level.
Getting into pug groups is another matter entirely, to “get around” this hurdle I suggest simply using your own key (so you are always guaranteed a spot). I’ve seen streamers (and I watch my share of M+ streamers) clearing +15’s with their 445(ish) item level alts. Like I said, being a good player/knowing the dungeons is more important for lower keys.
Gear only starts to matter much more in high keys (and the average bg’er probably isn’t doing those anyways).
I started the low keys (1-10) at like iLvl 445 and once I got to like 460-465 I started pushing higher (11-15s). Basically like a week of the first and two weeks of the other. Usually 1 out of 2 dungeons you get a piece of loot.
Was that even possible? Their ilevels would have needed to be 100 to 200 higher.
There’s some sort of new addon/website called Raider IO. If you want to obtain the best mythic plus gear, you need a high ilevel (470+) and a high Raider IO score to get accepted into mythic 15+ pugs.
Do you even know what you’re speaking about? Do you think PVP players asked for Mythic + gear, Corruption, essences etc etc to be in random bgs? Really?
We all knew there was no PvP vendor. Several of us warned the anti template squad their choice for gear to matter would have consequences. PvE gear being superior is the reward.
You’re also including systems that were added in 8.2 and 8.3 for some reason.
There’s a good chance PvE gear will still be better and quicker to acquire again , excluding requiring a medallion.
PVP gear to matter. Not PVE crap on top of that. What has corruption, essences and mythic gear to do with PVP? Do you see players in raids wearing PVP gear and I don’t mean LFR?
Correct, instead of templates or scaling they wanted gear acquired from PvE to not be nerfed in instanced PvP. This would include modifiers to gear such as set bonuses in the past, and now traits and corruptions.
The same thing it has to do with PvE. Kill your target.
You might not like it but that’s what it is.
I did before your reply. PVE gear should not matter in PVP. PVP gear should not matter in PVE (raiding, high end content) which it does not.
They got one part of it right.
PVE gear does matter in random bgs if you want to play with no skill. A returning PVP player has absolutely no real chance of being competitive in an environment with so much to catch up on gear and corruptions.
Yeah you can float around at 440 ilevel (with pve gear on mainly ) and compete to a certain degree. Great fun.
Watch this youtube video. This is the truth. Stoopz a pvp player showing players like you what PVP was about and the crap they are coming away with in SL.
Big Problem With PvP Gear In Shadowlands - How The Vendor Works
People asked for gear vendors to return and to remove any scaling.