hi all,
i am completly new to disc and want to try it in PVP and maybe then in PVE.
For pvp following icy veins Oracle seems to be the Hero talent to use…any suggestions?
As pvp atm i mean (world pvp while doing quests, bg, epic bgs and maybe solo shuffle).
Thank you all
My suggestion would be to search Absterge Disc Guide on YouTube. It’s fresh and very good.
Generally you’re going to want to stack mastery for PvP. It’ll make your shields much bigger. That’s the easiest way to do disc in PvP.
I also run a haste set for atonement & damage healing but PvP tends to be about burst healing, whereas haste gives you stronger sustained AoE healing.
So I suppose it’s what you want to play, but Mastery is the easiest for pure healing output.
Mastery, oracle build, and then just play solo shuffle until you figure it out. Disc is not complicated. Every time you penance you gain stacks that makes your next smite or shield bigger. You use insight to cast penance, then cast a big shield, cast penance, cast a big shield, etc… If there’s lots of aoe you rad, evang, piety, then you MB and penance an enemy for large atonement healing. Use a pain sup early so your shields are reducing its CD. Use death and fade to avoid CC, and dip behind a pillar when you are casting penances so you don’t get kicked at ranged. Use dome liberally, especially during a bomb.
That’s basically it.
i am still learning Disc and just wondering (pve wise, in M+ situation) which could be an Ohhh Sh*t Button…i tried to heal some +2 and was fun and pretty smooth run but in some situation in which i see tank almost dieing, i was looking for an oohh crap button and the only way to try to save the situation was power word: life, pain suppression and the shield. To me seems that power word: life is the only kind of “big heal” i have.
I am sorry if i wrote something crap but as i said i am still learning…thank you for all suggestions.
Atm i am playing Oracle, maybe Void could be better?
Evangelism, PW:L are your two main ones for those moments. Ultimate Penitence as well but requires some timing as it has a cast time + channeling.
I would also say Penance if off cooldown is a good option as well.
Everything else you said is good to, ie Pain suppression, PW:S, you can also throw a PW:Barrier up if it’s really intense (or Luminous Barrier if you chose that node instead)
Void is better in M+, and you don’t take PW:L. There are more aoe damage checks than single target checks, and void is both simpler and better at handling these checks.
Most tanks should be self-sufficient with you doing your regular rotation (rad → mb → void blast spam) and (bender → dark penance). VW disc is all about aoe healing through constant damage, the tank will get plenty of healing from this.
Now when a tank is struggling, especially during a big pull, pain suppression is your friend, as is dome. You should spread out PS/dome, try to not use more than 1 during a single pull.
The most important disc mechanic is weal and woe. You will talent into extra penance bolts. When you penance you get stacks of weal and woe, which makes your next smite of shield bigger. You want to always cast that shield on whoever needs single target healing, which might be the tank. Penance is also your friend for single target healing, it’s a huge heal, as are flash of light procs which are instant cast and cost no mana. It’s also important to cast shield as much as possible because it reduces the cooldown of Pain suppression.
Also make sure you are casting desperate prayer as much as possible. When you use prayer on yourself you can penance, fol, or shield someone else instead of yourself.
A pull might look something like:
Now say a debuff goes out that targets two people who need extra healing:
Evangelism is not your single target panic button. You want to always use evangelism to pass large aoe heal checks. It should be something like bender → rad → evang (now you have a 20% buff) → mind blast → void blast spam → dark penance. This is going to heal everyone in the group a massive amount.
Also just a general disc tip, your goal should be to never cast flash heal on anyone unless it’s flash of light proc. It’s a huge mana sink. Your goal as disc is to keep people stable and then heal them to full using atonement. Don’t think of it like, I need to get this guy to 100% before I start doing damage again, think of it like I need to get him to about 70% so he doesn’t get one shot and then I can heal him to 100% through rad → mb → void blasts.
This will also reduce your overhealing and ensure you never run out of mana.
Thank you Preservant and Nasuuna for your replies…
I will try Void for M+… i thought that Oracle could help me heal using bigger shields…
Another question:
i am using healbot as healer add on …but last run i have done i got some trouble on dispell…i mean healbot didn’t advise me that there was the need to dispell Oo… i think there is something i need to fix into healbot.
However i know there is vuhdo as well…any suggestion between the 2?
or i need to looking for a specific dispell add on?
I even know there are player that are not using add on at all…
Thank for your time.
This isn’t really true.
Void is easier to get a grasp on when you’re starting because Premonition isn’t straightforward, where void is totally passive.
But it’s definitely not the better M+ spec. Oracle still takes that cake (even though I would have thought it would fall off after the last nerfs - they just didn’t feel as impactful as I thought they might).
Either are fine. What you really want with unit frame addons is one that you like the look and feel of, and you don’t hate customizing. It’s just experimentation. I’ve changed which one I’ve used like 4 times throughout WoW’s lifetime, and all of them were perfectly fine.
If you’re wanting specifically dispels, all the unit frame packs have that.
Regardless of what you’re using, the base game settings (and most unit frame addons - I know healbot does) have a setting that’s something to the effect of “show dispellable debuffs only” and that’s a super useful option to tick even if you’re a seasoned healer, but it’s VERY good starting out. It will update dynamically to what class and talents you’re playing with and will only show a debuff if it’s something you can get rid of.
By what measure, I have done empirical testing and void does better overall damage on every run by 100-200k, which is a massive difference. Even if Oracle had marginally better healing, it wouldn’t be worth the DPS loss since VW can still heal just fine. It is also much easier to not make mistakes with, which is an important element of M+.
Pretty sure Oracle disc is the meta, not vw disc.
I thought I read somewhere that vw disc is ranked like second to the last or something for heals in mythic+. Maybe I dreamt that lol.
All that said, I have stuck with it and I am one key away from all 13s timed as vw disc. I might get that last one at some point or leave it, not sure. Haven’t tried yet.
Damage isn’t necessary from the healer at all this tier. Oracle’s healing is higher, and it provides WAY larger shields, which is one of the major features of Disc in general.
It also has a lot to do with the current set of dungeons. There are a lot of damage patterns where one or two targets get very painful bleeds or some other kind of focused damage. Oracle disc is pretty much the ideal healer for that damage pattern. They get pain supp, they get defensive penance/larger shields, they get solace shield, they get insight to blast out penance/shields, etc.
If you look at the top rated healing priests right now, they’re ALL running Oracle Discipline and have been since its buffs in season 2, even after the round of nerfs.
You can absolutely play Voidweaver disc though, and I’d even say for someone new to disc it’s the easiest to teach because it’s very passive healing. Just it’s definitely been the weaker spec since Season 2.