New Tier set is meh for Havoc

Question for Havoc DH. Am I the only one suffering from a DPS loss since I replaced my S1 tier set with 4p S2 set? Is the tier set really this bad? (M+ dungeons BTW, didn’t test it in raid yet).

I was doing on average 2m DPS overall in +6-10 keys and since I equipped the new 4P I dropped to 1.7.1.8m overall.

Maybe I am stupid but looking at the 20% blade dance damage lost hurts + the free procs we were getting. The new 2-4 set just barely does anything.

Should I just keep my S1 set instead? I wanna be like BM hunters. I want a surge of power with my new tier! I wanna feel it.

<3 you all DH friends!!

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No, you are not the only one suffering.

The new tier is horrible and it’s only worth equipping if you had S1 4p 639 ilvl when you get 4p HC of S2.

I don’t think going 2p 2p is worth at any ilvl if you had 4p S1 639 ilvl

2 heroic 2 mythic new tier is only a 1% increase for me over 639 nerubar :dracthyr_lulmao:

You’re probably losing the meta gem as well, which is oof

3p HC, 1 Mythic with helmet socket and meta gem is a 2% increase for me over 639 ilvl

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This might be recency bias but the new tier set is probably the worst one I’ve ever seen. The fact that any gear swap involving tier pieces is an immediate dps downgrade is just sad.

I’m surprised they are not doing anything about it. Also, I hate that Aldrachi Reaver is the most viable option now…

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Think of it this way. The only way our (new) tier set going into the next patch is not an immediate upgrade even in normal is if we don’t get any tier set at all.

The bar is so low that literally anything will be massive for us going forward.

I’m also on the Aldrachi Reaver hate train, and I hate how every content creator has been sugar coating this thing with literally 0 changes since beta. Still the same horrible gameplay, still the same horrible profile.

RIP Fel Scarred, you only survived because of double dipping mastery bugs in S1.

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felscarred is still fine but it seems like everyone just does whatever youtubers suggest or whatever. a lot of people can’t even play AR and would probably see more dps playing felscarred anyway.

Fel Scarred is not fine when it’s 5% behind in pure ST scenarios and can’t cleave. The only thing the tree has going for it is burst on 2 min timers.

Aldrachi does more ST and gets free cleave on top of that because of Screaming Brutality.

Fel Scarred needs a couple things. First, something to make it want to do anything else than spam Chaos Strike. For instance, Burning Blades is a horribly designed talent and should probably be scrapped and reworked with something entirely new.

And secondly, it needs to be better tuned. The fact they completely killed mastery scaling with Fel Scarred is baffling.

What I said about Youtubers is mostly because a lot of them are saying now that “Aldrachi is fine” or even “Aldrachi is fun”, when literally the only thing that got changed of the tree from TWW Beta until now is that WQ funnels a little bit of damage.

The gameplay, the uptime constraints and the RNG feeling of the tree due to RNG soul generation of DA/WQ are still there, and overall the experience is still terrible and akin of playing Sinful Brand in Shadowlands. Dropping Reaver’s Mark from a target and not having enough souls to get another one rolling automatically kills your DPS for that pull. It’s such a punishing tree is insane.

And this is the feedback that should be given, the same that it was back then. That this tree should get thrown into a furnace and be reworked into something completely new that plays WITH the spec, and not against it.

That talent tree is far from fine, It was propped up by AMN.

AR is drastically easier to play and has a better damage profile. In M+ you play no mover and in raid you play exergy.