Anybody have new stat weights for mistweaver. I really want to test out a haste build over Pawns build.
the only thing about a haste build is that its more mana and less healing per mana spent
Looking at the top 10 mw on wowgraphs most stack as much crit as possible, and a few have 40% haste with little else. So it seems haste build is certainly viable. You will want to use every mana regaining essense you can with haste build though, or you will oom fast
I personally think crit/mast is better
and in pvp crit is trash, stack vers/mast
i’m not certain about mana regain essences with my current build because most raw healing essence out do them significantly. and I feel it might carry over into a haste build a little bit because of increase rppm. Like seeds will do +6% of my healing when put against pearl and i can’t lose vitality conduit because its such a powerful heal and top off
There’s a couple of requirements in order to effectively heal with the new build, and it’s mostly gear with a few corruptions. You’re gonna need solid haste trinkets/corruptions/ haste gear.
Trinkets like vita-charged Titanshard from Ra-den, Humming Black Dragonscale from Wrathion, and even the haste procs on the mechagon trinket are huge for the build.
Along with the trinkets, expedient grants you extra haste from not only your gear, but also your procs from trinkets and our Misty Peaks azerite trait (which you should be stacking x3 for the build). Racing pulse is yet another haste proc, and ineffable truth helps our CD’s for ReM, RSK, and TFT. All of these abilities are the base for the new build, especially RSK.
Beyond that, it’s just finding as much haste gear as possible. The biggest boosts you’ll get to haste are the rings from Mechagon: Workshop. They’re about 450 haste each at 455 ilvl, and they do wonderfully.
General damage rotation should be RSK on CD, BoK, Tiger Palm, Bok, TP, etc. until RSK is back up, whether it be by proc from BoK or natural CD. Make sure to use your TFT’s on RSK for the reduced CD. Natural healing should be woven in, preferably in place of the Tiger Palm.
The major essence can be whatever you realistically want it to be, but the minor essences will likely need to be lucid dreams, ever-rising tide, and unwavering ward if one of those isn’t already your major essence. LD and ERT are for mana regen, and unwavering for shields. I personally use Life Binder’s Major, just as an extra raid CD and a strong minor.
The point of this build is to keep up as many renewing mists as possible on the raid, while keeping EnvM on the tanks. When damage goes out, weave in vivify’s so that all targets with ReM are getting heals.
I’m sitting at 27% base haste, 3 Misty Peaks, Ineffable Truth and Racing Pulse corruptions, and Wrathion trinket. I can keep 6-7 ReM’s on my raid at any given point throughout a fight that allows consistent melee damage, and each one heals, on average, 23k. So average 140k per cast of vivify, or 280k healing for the same mana cost of a single EF. Right now it’s not quite as efficient as my traditional crit/vers upwelling build, but I’m having a lot more fun. I can heal about 50-60k hps with this build, but maybe like 70-80k with my old build. I’m missing a lot of haste value from lack of expedient corruptions, as well as the ra-den trinket.
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so how does this new build compare to having jellyweed and a il’gynoth trinket
Again though in a 12 min fight how long till your oom 2-3 mins in?
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if you are using mana tea right you can last most of the fight
This build, once you get the right amount of haste, will outperform any other build for mistweavers. There are MW’s with close to, or above, 300k HPS with this build. They have so much average haste that they’re keeping up ReM and EnvM on the raid group indefinitely (which requires am average of 120% haste, btw). Is it easy? No. There’s a lot of micromanagement when you’re sitting at a literal 70-75 actions per minute. Here’s the kicker: the more haste you have, the less mana you spend. What I mean is that the more haste you have, the easier it is to keep more ReM’s on people. Once you’re coating 10 people with ReM, you’re using less vivify’s to heal up. Once you can keep ReM’s up indefinitely, you can shift to coating people in both ReM and EnvM for massive HoT healing. Think of it like a permanent Tranquility from a druid.
It’s gonna take a lot of work and time, though. It’s not as braindead as our other builds, and way more gear dependent to be viable. I’ve been running Mech: Workshop nonstop to get the rings, and honestly once I get them I may continue to run them to try and get them with expedient.
i think i like it feel fast and for like 10s i was doing 110k hps
now the only thing is obsidian claw is worth losing over a vita trinket
For mythics, I have no idea. I would assume so, because it has an internal CD of 1m and that 1600 haste can sometimes be the difference between keeping your ReM’s/EnvM’s on everyone, and them dropping off. If mana is an issue in dungeons, though, then you’re better off just getting sugar crusted fish feasts for between pulls.
I tried fistweaving during a raid boss and i only did 54k healing i tried keeping my hots up but its a lot of hard work, when i went back to upwelling. my healing was boosted to 65k going as high as 80k with the haste build.
You lose a lot of mana value out of your Essence Font if you run Upwelling with the high haste build using Misty Peaks. For Upwelling you want to go 3x font (or even 3x SI, or something in between those 2) and stack crit/vers (though more crit, I have 2k crit and 1k vers for my upwelling build). Once I’m at 10 stacks of Upwelling, I can put out 4-500k healing with a single EF. As far as what you claim to heal, your logs are showing otherwise. Your highest HPS is on Shadhar Normal for 46k HPS. Your azerite traits are the biggest issue, but you should also be running RJW instead of Crane for raid healing. If mana is a concern, then continue with your wrathion trinket. If it isn’t, go and try to get the crit trinket from Shrine of the Storm. It’s particularly strong for the upwelling build.
Fistweaving is a lot of multimanagement, even at low haste levels. You can’t really afford to not be doing something. Upwelling is way more relaxed. You can slide with an easy 40 APM and feel like you’re really doing nothing the entire time.
Using artifice of time for raid haste and speed it’s like a dragon humming scale replacement
Honestly not a good idea since it affects any targets you heal, not just yourself. If it gave you the same amount of haste as you give your targets then sure, but it doesn’t do that. It has a 10 RPPM, meaning it happens 10 times a minute or once every 6 seconds, but if you have a raid of 20 then it only has a 1 in 20 chance of targeting you with the haste.
You know pawn requires constant sim updating right? Your weights change as you replace pieces and your stats change.
Stats become weaker to stack when you stack getting to certain lvls.
I was messing with a build that could consistantly keep me about 180% average haste at anyone given time.
I saw every once in awhile get to 300% haste, and during lust it was much closer to 400%. Rsk was like 2 secs.
That seems… unlikely. I dunno man. One of the top MW’s right now, Mistwater, has a youtube channel called Light Water. On his Mythic Maut log of 275k he actually gives a parse review, and he stated about 45 seconds in that he averaged about 110% haste.
Like I said, I dunno. 3-400% bursts with a claimed average of 180% seems like a tall tale.
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Look at my corruptions, traits, and trinkets. I saw my rsk be 2 sec during lust. I am also not talking about a raid environment, just short m+ dungeon bosses.
When you enter and exit combat constantly your procs have a higher chance
While you’re right about procs acting differently when going in and out of combat frequently, I only see one r2 expedient even though your azerite traits seems to be pretty solid. 300% haste would require you to have literally 20k haste numerically, which I would argue is impossible right now (though it might be possible later towards the end of the expac when we see MW’s with 60% total expedient). That’s like having a triple misty peaks proccing 5 times at the same time, along with having 3k base haste. Just as a reference, if every proc on your gear were to happen all simultaneously, along with your base haste of 1597 and the 9% expedient you would end up at about 12k. That right there is 180%. With lust, add on 30% for a total of 210%.
I don’t doubt that you see a LOT of haste consistently, but to claim an average of 180%, with a peak of close to 400%, is still a tall tale to me. However, if you manage to get a screenshot of that then I’d be more than happy to concede my argument.
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Use the crane mana talent and honestly going oom on the build is nearly impossible. I end most fights with over 50% mana and i spam a lot of vivifies.