Please. Stop. Making. Us. Play. Vanilla bgs. 24/7.
5v5. 3v3. 1v1. 2v2. Objectives or last man standing I DONT CARE just give us something we can sweat it out with friends in a voice lobby or something.
I dont even care if you make it overland or instanced.
The same BG gamepath is horrendously boring 20 years later.
ATLEAST A NEW BG MAP IF YOUR GOING TO DO ANYTHING JESUS
Please for the love of god give us pvpers something to que other than the same basic BGs.
I mean you guys even added a new 5 man dungeon.
You better allow trinkets and consumables though.
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better rewards would have an immediate impact. Sell reals for ab and wsg marks. Get people out of av and into actual pvp. They would have to update the vendor each phase with mats that are relevant and youll have people farming bgs for gold.
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why does it have to offer rewards? why cant you just do it for fun?
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I can’t do it for fun because WSG/AB queues are dead outside of their respective bonus honor weekends. Also, SoD PvP is probably the worst balance I have ever experienced across retail from TBC to WoD and all iterations of Classic. I don’t know how to fix it, but a few classes are extremely overtuned with little to no counters, and you’re basically SoL if you aren’t playing one of them. Also, I don’t think Vanilla was designed to accommodate a ton of new CC abilities added by runes. PvP trinkets still being on a 5minute CD is a huge oversight in my opinion.
Regardless, I don’t see why providing players with an additional incentive to PvP seems problematic to you. Why does it not have to offer rewards? The reality is that it’s not the early 2000s anymore, the typical gamer today is not going to participate in activities if they don’t feel like their time is being respected. Hence AB / WSG being barren, since Blizzard decided to add much faster ways of acquiring reputation for their factions (which are now also dead, particularly Bloodmoon, so if you’re leveling an alt or didn’t play between P1-P3, it’s tough luck) and most people who want honor are just going to plant themselves in AV PvE zerg rushes.
Ultimately I don’t even think rewards would really fix the problem, because once people get XYZ thing they’ll just stop PvPing again. The real problem is how the current balance makes a lot of classes frustrating to play, where you feel like a free HK.
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It cannot offer rewards because the PVE andies will get their feelings hurt if they cant get free loot from sitting in a 40 man party and doing /roll
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PvP has been very disappointing in SoD.
AV, my favorite BG, is trash. The rush meta is boring and doesnt include any actual pvp.
AB and WSG dont even pop.
The devs failed in this particular execution of the game.
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in pvp, the players are the content. plopping down a few different pre-rendered assets in a canyon won’t change the player engagement.
I like variety. A new BG would be fun.
it takes them longer to make it than it takes you to get bored of it.
Small scale (anything from 2 to 6 players max per team)
Smart map making with obstacles
Random game mode (objectives one match, last team standing next match)
Something that gets you on comms
Leaderboards.
Titles
Tabards
Mounts
Even weapon enchant visuals.
All defeats the “new bg” format any day on “fun” levels.
I’d avoid copy paste arena and I would also avoid gear acquired through rating.
Nothing wrong with a few cool pvp toys through a rep though. (participation reward)
A solo que, no-team, que would be fun as another addition. Example 10 player last man standing, zero team free for fall.
I’m 100% if these 3 types of game modes were presented to Sod (a premade mode, and a solo-que team mode, solo-que FFA mode) that it would be a very hot game mode for a long time.
single-elimination 1v1 dueling. easy.
I could deff see a 1v1 “tourney mode” that pits several players in a 1v1 dueling tournament. An instanced version of the front of SW or ogrimmar would be awesome and a throwback to dueling outside the gates.
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the dads need another 3-4 years of the vanilla bgs before they will understand how to win it though, why are you trying to rush every one into a new bg when we have only had 20 years of av?
But i am the dad and i want a new game mode
Azshara Crater PvP battleground when?
Solo ffa will benefit hybrid classes, and the rogues will be hiding waiting for the easy 1v1 ambush at the end. Thats why plunderstorm had to make no class gameplay. That said 2s 3s and 5s would be cool.
PvP in current WoW is lame compared to how it used to be. You used to be able to change specs in bgs and even in arenas up until only a tiny bit ago. New dev team don’t know what they are doing. Yea back in original TBC, Wrath and Cata you could change specs while in an arena but cant now. Pretty lame. So what if you are in a 5v5 and you kill off two and they kill off 2, then you are effectively in a 3v3. Same specs that work for 5s dont always work for 3s.
Or what if you kill off the ranged that you need to or do what you can with ele spec, then need to play as enh in order to win. But now you cant because of their stupid no spec changing rules that never existed the first time around. Even look at old arena tournaments, even in those we used to be able to change specs while in an arena.
Current dev team has zero idea with what to do with PvP. They are bad and should feel bad.
This is where balance changes happen.
Also stealth eyes have been a thing since how long?
Okay then dont talk about new game modes until that happens then 