this is the lamest little baby whiner crap i have ever seen in my life. bring back dalaran and make it fly again and make the kirin tor stop being wussies. it’s like the writers over the last five years think about the stupidest lore decision and then roll with it. like, whatever choice is the dumbest, most lame and offensive to the player base and world they created, they chose. most cringe inducing lore in gaming. wow needs to fire somebody, please. or if they are using ai to generate this crap, hire somebody. idk but blizz needs to stop producing dribble
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I already explained why this quest line is very very bad in another thread
You should i think put your post there?
Ho and…NO
Bringing back Dalaran in Woltk was the bad decision to begin with, as well as making it fly, like Dalaran you know was destroyed in war3? it did not fly either.
Destroying Dalaran was dumb. The fake out of Khadgar dying was dumb. Trying to weasel out of dealing with the consequences of destroying a city, AGAIN, is dumb.
Blizzard should know better. They had Teldrassil to show them how players feel about losing their cities. Now they’re spinning this narrative about the Kirin Tor having no city, no home, and all those survivors are just going to magically disappear, despite plenty of them not being mages, because the Kirin Tor apparently aren’t going to rebuild.
I don’t know if a new Dalaran is necessary. It’d be nice, but necessary? I don’t know. But the kingdom of Dalaran should continue. There should be a place where it’s civilians settle down and live and continue their lives. Build over the crater if you need to.
I’m okay with some flying mage fortresses here or there (really surprised the Blood Elves haven’t done this yet, maybe come Midnight they will), but there should be a city for the kingdom.
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It was needed, they had to correct the mistake woltk made by bringing it back.
Teldrasil too was a mistake, because Night elves lived in Hyjal and Teldrasil came out of nowhere, i think there is a big problem that WoW players needs to understand : WoW Classic (the holy trinity of vanilla, bc and woltk) CAN BE WRONG!!! and it was wrong, many times.
Oh, but why you now wonder why the blood elves did not do it? Hmm, maybe because it was an inconsistency back in woltk to make Dalaran do it?
Also, if Dalaran could fly all this time, where was it in Bfa? Where was it in Cata to fight DW? Where was it in other expacs?
Thats why it had to be gone.
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You’re preaching to the choir. I have often stated those expansions had many mistakes in terms of world building and lore. For example, why would Thrall allow a Dreadlord into the Horde, in a position of authority (Varimathras), much less the now undead humans whom had once RUN the internment camps the Orcs continue to hate the Alliance for? Was Grom’s body even cold?
By the same token, why would the Night Elves join the Alliance, when they were equal to the combined might of the ENTIRE Horde, and the Alliance Kalimdor Expedition? Considering how they feel about magic, it didn’t make sense to join the faction of mages.
That having been said, I don’t think rebuilding Dalaran was a mistake. Making it fly and zoom around as a shared capital? Yeah, that was weird. Flying city certainly feels magical and mage-like, but neutral didn’t made sense.
Flying fortresses aren’t inconsistent at all. The Scourge were doing it with their necrpoli back in WC3.
Cata - Recovering from the Nexus War and War in Northrend.
BFA - Recovering from the War against the Legion.
Shadowlands - On Azeroth, where it belonged.
Dragonflight - Still the Broken Isles, I think. The Kirin Tor were around to help Kalecgos out, so its not as if the city needed to be there.
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Yes, the Night Elves being in the Alliance was a big “bruh” of Vanilla, and just like Teldrasil, it came out of nowhere, and you can do all the quests in vanilla, they never explain why they joinded the Alliance. Like they are in the faction, but it was never said in Vanilla why they joined it.
The way it was done was dumb, that they were rebuilding it with that magical bubble, its kinda fine, as we saw in war3 TFT the ruins and the undergrounds were still functionnal, but the manner on how it was back and flying was really not good. And yes, above all, making it Neutral? Like what? They were an Alliance kingdom why they would be neutral?
These 2 reasons made it a kind of thorn in the side of the narrative, because, since it was able to fly, and neutral, you would wonder why they not always around when the world is in danger etc…
If it would have been rebuilt as a ground city and of the Alliance, then it would have been lot better.
True, but its more the problems it brought that made it inconsistent in the long term.
Loool, what an excusses lol, so why they did not pull this off with war3? Like they did not come to Northrend because “well we just finished rebuilding!”
But then why wasnt it used in MoP? You will again tell me its recovering from something?
Well, they had to fight a massive world ending proto dragon so why the city did not had to be there?
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According to old interviews, Dalaran WAS going to be used again in MoP. It was going to be over the city of Orgrimmar during the last raid. However, the WMO (world object basically) created so much lag that they cut it from the raid.
They didn’t at the start. I mean, its not as if the Horde and Alliance even showed up until the final raid. Where were the Horde and Alliance up to that point?
I think your complaint is rooted in the fact that Blizzard doesn’t do nearly enough to explain its world. Old zones and factions get left in the lurch. One might as well as, “Where was the Shattered Sun Offensive during Legion?”
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Dalaran and the Kirin Tor suck and have just be a massive black hole sucking up any arcane/mage related story or having non-Kirin Tor mages just be there to make the Kirin Tor ones look better.
Hopefully this ends the era of human story dominance over mages and we can finally get mage development for other races.
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That Blizzard went the lazy route and had the Kirin Tor involved in mage stuff, doesn’t mean the Kirin Tor suck. Blizzard needs to stop being lazy and develop other orders.
Unfortunately:
A finger on the Monkey’s Paw curls.
Not happening. At least with the Kirin Tor we occasionally had a gnome, dwarf, or elf mage crop up.
From now on? It’s going to be Jaina, Jaina, and more Jaina. No need to even think about other races or characters. All mage stuff is going to be Jaina.
If we’re lucky, Dadgar might make a brief cameo to crack a joke, but that’s all we can hope for.
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not to rag too harshly, but a lot of the kirin tor lore was fairly generic. like, they’re basically harry potter’s ministry of magic using dnd magic rules. i get that it sucks they’re gone or whatever, but frankly a lot of their strongest features were just optical and not substantive.
It’s not the greatest but if you think it’s the worst quest line ever I can direct you to several that are worse.
The Mag’har recruitment chain counts double.
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Cataclysm: In Northrend, near Wyrmrest Temple, which was a probable target for Deathwing (which it eventually became). Hyjal already had the Cenarion Circle, Twilight Highlands was mostly HvA stuff (as a neutral party, they’d want to stay away from it), Uldum was just a sudden issue after the adventurers came to check on something, and Deepholm and Vash’jir are just not places they could go.
MoP: As a neutral party, there’s nothing for Dalaran to even do here. Even so, they did eventually get dragged out of that neutrality by Jaina, but there still isn’t much for a flying city to do in a foreign land that barely tolerated the two armies waging war on their continent to begin with.
WoD: On Azeroth. Presumably Dalaran wouldn’t fit through the Dark Portal.
BfA: Again staying out of the HvA stuff because of neutrality. Nazjatar would be a terrible place to park their city in case some void-infused elf with a magic relic of power (no, not her, Azshara with the Tidestone) decided to throw a bunch of mega-magic at the city and crash it. Hey, it could happen!! And for Vale/Uldum, which one would they have picked?
Shadowlands: On Azeroth. Presumably the city couldn’t Maw Walk.
Dragonflight: Initially we all go there not as an army, but to explore. That’s who the Horde and Alliance sent after all. By the time the dragons were reaching out for help, all the action was happening in the Emerald Dream, at Amirdrassil. Once more, Dalaran presumably couldn’t fit through the portal there either.
Dalaran’s lack of involvement in other world issues actually makes a kind of sense when you really consider what was going on during those expansions. I personally don’t think it’s that odd that Dalaran wasn’t acting as the Global Police Force, and only involved themselves in centralized campaigns against world-ending threats (as opposed decentralized ones like Deathwing and N’zoth).
All that said, still glad to be rid of the “default neutral human city” that just never felt right for Horde mains to be in. Especially post-Jaina.
Sir!! Excuse you, sir!!!
You forgot Khadgar. We’ll still get Professor Khadgar Xavier too.
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Well, they did know that Razageth was here right from the begining, Kalecgos even go to see Khadgar in Karazhan to tell him that Razageth was freed and the threat she poses…
The fact the Horde and Alliance did not show up is a mistake actually because well…its a world threat and the Primalist even attacked the Barrens so why would not the Horde act? (they did in a way by sending “players” )
Well yes, which is why you dont put things like Dalaran as an op flying city…since you know it can bring problems later, but even here, you know the problem can be fixed very easily, you just need one line of dialogue to say that Dalaran is here but you dont see it or stuff like that.
Well, that dosent excuses the thing.
I think the moment, when i told myself, that the Kirin Tor had to go, was the moment when i saw a freaking zandalari troll with a purple harry potter robe like…wtf? Where is the culture of each races? Why does every single mage of every races have to be like the Kirin tor now?
Its because it was neutral that it became like this, exactly you know like what? ARGENT DAW and its orcs with human armors.
Oh no not that one!!! and some liked it, it even is the favorite of Danuser! No joke!
Cought cought, it was NOIT neutral in MoP, actually the Kirin Tor offensive was even an alliance reputation, because well yes Jaina was the leader of the Kirin Tor in MoP.
He became just an old man who say non sense like : “No more ranks…but you shall be the leader Jaina” dude, it means there is rank if you name someone as leader.
Where do you get this informaton from?
Why would you need to point this out when the post you quoted literally pointed it out already?
The world map. Dalaran (Northrend). It was in Northrend. During the MoP Purge scenario, it is still also in Northrend.
Until just before Legion, it had still been in Northrend.
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Because for some reason you use their neutrality as a reason to not have Dalaran showing up. So you say i am wrong, but then say i am right? I am confused.
Well, then why it did not do anything agaisnt DW being just one zone away from them?
MoP starts with Dalaran being neutral. So, they have no reason to park the city over Pandaria, where a faction war is heating up.
Halfway through, Dalaran goes Alliance. The Kirin Tor go to the Isle of Thunder, only to discover the skies are too dangerous to fly through. Why would they move Dalaran to the Isle of Thunder to get blown up?
I suppose for the same reason the Blood Elves did jack all to fight the Scourge in Wrath.
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I do not understand why you would have been confused when I also included what happened after they stopped being neutral.
Probably for the same reason the Argent Crusade, Cenarion Circle, Silver Covenant, Sunreavers, the Ebon Blade, the Ashen Verdict, the Kalu’ak and the Taunka were not there, in spite of having locations in Northrend.
Did I forget anyone? Oh, Oracles and Frenzyhearts.
We really should have had the Oracles show up.
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Aw man I was JUST going to mention the Monkeys paw thing as soon as I read this XD
Its why when I complain about Pandaren getting few to no lore I dont do so too loud, because I know.
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It went kaboom.
Dalaran is no more.
It’s obliterated. Rest in pieces.
Dalaran originally situated itself in the sky at the hopes towards protecting the city after the events of both Archimonde and Arthas — Having themselves believe that magically uplifting the city would be the utmost bestcase scenario for the city’s wellbeing.
Albeit, such isn’t necessarily the case. Dalaran was able to rebuild after Archimonde’s ritual of destruction and after the minor attack Arthas made — It’s a bit hard to rebuild when the ground foundations are crumbled from high to the ground like a brittle cookie being crushed in the hands of a toddler and sprinkled on the ground, as opposed to simply being broken or cracked on the table.
Best Case Scenario?
I’d say to have it written that ages back, they performed a contingency ritual where they made a replicate ‘copy’ of Dalaran, which was formulated when they lifted it in the first place – Later explaining the mages that were around the crater had been weaving the runes and magic for such a failsafe, after it was lifted from the ground.
- You could also later state that the pillars of creation & a handful of their more powerful artifacts had a spell placed upon them to immediately transfer to this city should the original have its defences or structural integrity compromised.
Thus having us return to the crater … And seeing Dalaran stand there, once again – As if it never left. 