The 9800X3D will be faster in games (especially games like WoW), and is cheaper also.
The 9950X only makes sense if you are doing specialized tasks that can really take advantage of more than 8 cores and are willing to sacrifice gaming performance for those extra cores.
And if you really do need/want more than 8 cores, you should wait for the 9950X3D or 9900X3D which will be released in the near future. The 9950X simply isn’t a great gaming CPU, especially not for the price. You would be paying $700 for a CPU that would probably play WoW worse than a $200 5700X3D.
Example from a game with similar CPU usage to WoW:
it’s all top of the line stuff, the CPU is more production focused than gaming performance although capable enough. In gaming you would see better performance in the 9800X3D in particular the lower resolutions. The difference would narrow more at 4k.
we don’t know the OPs needs just what he wants to buy.
2)You keep posting that GN crap and I have a hard time taking you seriously with it. Why GN would run BG3 at medium is beyond any reviewer. At lower resolutions you put more stress on the CPU but not necessarily at lower settings. In fact more often than not at lower settings you take more stress off the CPU.
GN has the 58003DX at 20% better than the 9950x at avg but equal at lows at med 1080p
HB has the the 9950x 20% better in avg and lows in BG3 at ulra 1080p
TPU has has the 58003DX 8% better in avg at 720p & 1080p both in ultra (no lows testing)
PC gamer tested the 9950x and 57003DX in BG3 at 1080p ultra, the 9950x was 16% better in avg and 25% better in lows.
Now not everyone tests in the same scene but everyone tests that game (and virtually all others) at high to ultra settings to put as much stress on the CPU as you can. Ive said it before, those GN are mind numbing and come very close to click bait when PCgamer, TPU, HB/techspot/ Toms, DF, and virtually everyone else tests their games at very high settings.
I really don’t have a budget it’s just whatever I want. My main game is wow but I also play baldur’s gate 3 Diablo 4 dragon age veil guard and eventually GTA 6 etc etc etc
You’ve made your opinion of GamersNexus clear. I happen to like them, and I’m certainly not alone. If me posting numbers from GamersNexus means that you “won’t take me seriously”, well suffice it to say that I won’t be losing any sleep.
With your focus on GamersNexus, you didn’t address the core issue at hand. That is, the 9950X is simply not a great gaming CPU, especially not for $700.
That’s fine you like them but the point is to look at various sites and see what the common facts are. In this situation you have outlier from all the other review sites caused by testing at settings that don’t push the CPU.
Your theory that the 9800X3D did better because the game was tested at “settings that don’t push the CPU” doesn’t hold up. All CPUs were tested at the same settings, and they were tested using the same GPU. If a game wasn’t pushing the CPU, then something else would become the bottleneck and the results would flatten out like they do when you benchmark at a very high resolution (aka when the GPU becomes the bottleneck).
If the results from Baldurs Gate 3 that I posted were merely a result of some very specific odd settings quirk in that one specific game, then we would not see that trend repeated across multiple games, yet it is:
Obviously individual results will vary. How much each game benefits from the large L3 cache on the X3D CPUs has always been something that varied from game to game, but in the case of the 9800X3D you not only have the large L3 cache, but also substantially increased clock-speed (due to the relocation of the cache to below the CPU cores). We also know that World of Warcraft IS one of the games that benefits greatly from the large L3 cache, more than almost any other game.
And ultimately, what is the point here? Since you apparently agree with my conclusion about the 9800X3D being a much better CPU for the OP, what is the point exactly of de-railing the OP’s thread by ranting about your pet-peeve with GamersNexus?
because the results are off from all the other testing web sites
yet they got the exact opposite results which means this opinion from you
is pure horse crap since you are getting different results. If you tested CPU cooler A and it was 20% better than CPU cooler B yet ever other test site had CPU B being better you would not think something is up? Especially if you were testing CPU coolers on an app that loads the CPU at 50% and everyone else used an app that loads the CPU at 100%. Your lack of PC hardware knowledge is a you problem not a me problem and your reliance one web site as a crutch to your opinion when every other web site contradicts it is pathetic. The fact that you post these incorrect opinions here and can actually send people in the wrong direction when looking for accurate PC advice is extremely troublesome. Have a great thanksgiving but do everyone a favor and learn something about PC hardware…anything.
All CPUs were subjected to identical loads. You keep coming back to this idea that GamersNexus was somehow not “pushing the CPU hard enough”, which is silly and untrue. Fact is, the CPUs were subjected to identical loads, and the 9800X3D did substantially better. If the game had been run at higher settings, it would have simply shifted more of the load over to the GPU.
I’ve now posted results from multiple games and multiple websites. What have you posted here other than vague theories and argumentative nonsense? I’m sorry that you’re just one of those people who is seemingly used to everyone patting you on the back and telling you how smart you are, then tosses insults and devolves into a mental breakdown when someone proves you wrong.
All you have done is posted a bunch of nonsense and I already posted the BG3 results from TPU. Wow you cherry picked a few tests but failed to look the others results like F1 and Far Cry where they are off from other sites. Here’s my point which you fail to get time after time after time. You rely on one web site like a crutch and when someone points out “hey their results don’t match other web sites” you circle the wagons and decide to defend that web site with made up nonsense. Any rational person would have said “hey your right, I need to look into that because those results should not be so off and why is this site the only one that runs these tests at medium settings?”. You didn’t do that, you got butt hurt about the site. Once you comprehend that we can have a rationale discussion but until then I’ just talking to a fan boy of a web site that can’t get over the fact;
THEIR RESULTS DON’T MATCH OTHER WEB SITES IN SEVERAL GAME TEST (NOT ALL BUT MORE THAN ONE OR TWO)
THEY ONLY TEST AT MEDIUM SETTINGS WHEN EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT AT HIGH TO ULTRA
My last post didn’t even include any links to GamersNexus.
It’s true that some games benefit less from 3D cache than others. WoW is one of the games that benefits greatly from 3D cache, so I posted benchmarks from games that I felt would be similar. Also, not all games have defined benchmark scenes. So which scene you benchmark will produce vastly different results. Just like measuring your FPS while flying on a wind-rider in WoW won’t necessarily tell you how much FPS you will get in a 20-man Raid or Epic Battleground.
But keep posting in all caps, I hear that makes you sound smart.
actually you did not it’s not even relevant to the discussion, this was established many posts ago. You said the " You would be paying $700 for a CPU that would probably play WoW worse than a $200 5700X3D". And then posted to a BG3 test on GN. I proved you were wrong across several web sites with facts. You got butt hurt. That’s all this this has been. You got butt hurt and embarrassed.
yes, I posted that also several posts ago as well
it was my last attempt to get through to you. you can continue to dance around the top statement however you wish as I’m done with you. You simply just keep changing the subject.
This response doesn’t even make sense, as it’s absolutely relevant how much WoW benefits from 3D cache. the 9700X is basically a 9800X3D without the 3D cache so if you compare the two, you can see just how big of a difference it makes. The 9950X is basically two 9700X CCDs bolted together.
There are in-fact multiple games where the 5700X3D outperforms the 9950X, and not just on GamersNexus.
Would the 5700X3D outperform the 9950X in WoW? Well since we don’t actually have WoW benchmarks, we don’t know. But I did not say “Yes, it absolutely would!”, I said “probably”, and the point was only to underscore how bad of a deal the 9950x is for gaming at $700. I was not actually recommending the 5700X3D…
You mean trying to get back to helping the OP instead of talking about your irrational hatred of GamersNexus? You got me on that one.
we are not talking about that game, BG3 and only BG3 which you brought up and not me. You keep changing the CPUs and the games because you keep circling the drain grasping for anything that doesn’t make you look foolish including repeating what I said so you look intelligent and posting the same benchmarks I already posted.
You posted the 9950x was slower in BG3 than the 5700X3D by 20% in your linked chart. I proved it was BS by some of the top respected review sites on the web including Toms and DF. Even TPU only saw a 8% gain for the 5700X3D (which you then copied as if it was your own, do you read my posts?). Any intelligent person would have said, I need to look into that and why the GN numbers are such an outlier. You went all fan boy and decided to protect GN at all costs. That’s it. That’s the discussion. Nothing else.
It’s sad to see an actual temper tantrum on the forums.
You’ve clearly lost all perspective. The game we are talking about is World of Warcraft. That’s why we’re here talking about it on a World of Warcraft forum. The only reason why I and others might post numbers from other games is because actual World of Warcraft benchmarks are so difficult to find, so using other games that perform similarly is the next best thing. This is not limited to BG3.
I’m still not sure why you’re obsessing about the 5700X3D. You’ve spent 10 times more time talking about the 5700X3D than you have about any CPU that the OP was looking at or that would even fit in his motherboard. I brought it up merely as a very brief example of a much cheaper CPU that I said would “probably” perform better in WoW. It probably does.
Are you sure? Silly me, I thought the discussion was about helping the OP. I guess you were under the impression it was all about you.
no, you posted a link to BG3 test results not WoW the OP brought up WoW. I don’t know if you know this but the two games are not the same. In fact the engines are completely different. I know that may be a shock to you as you clearly are a tech novice. Frankly, I’m not even sure why you keep posting. You brought up BG3, you got caught with bad results. you never addressed the bad results. Keep changing the subject because I am not and will continue to post this same reply each time you fail to address your outlier BG3 results (not mine you posted them).