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- Fel Rush damage increased by 60%.
please read everything before making a misinfo rage post
lmao mad cause bad
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Oooof, they doubled down on momentum. Yeah, not touching DH this expansion. That’s the worst playstyle imaginable.
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From what i gathered
- If Fire Inside (2Immo) is good → Then Inertia is mandatory
-If new Fel Barrage is good → Then Inertia is mandatory
-If Essence Break is good → Then Inertia is mandatory
Boys, “Momentum” playstyle is not going away.
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You are like… 50% idiot this time.
Fodder to the Flame now including Eye beam, and connecting it to an ability actually is huge and is absolutely a dps increase because nothing is worse than having dps CD that you can’t control happening when it is quite inconvenient. Like, seriously… I am 100% looking forward to Immo Aura> into Fel Rush > Into The Hunt > Into Eye Beam > (Demonic rotation until it fades) > Immo Aura> Another Fel Rush > Spectral Sight > Into Meta > into Eye Beam or something similar. That is going to be actually fun, great feeling, and a tangible burst window.
I like having the MS effect vs damage reduction be a choice node. I use one during PvP, other PvE with net 0 talent point spent.
Connecting Looks Can Kill and Furious gaze seems rather superfluous, but I am sure there is a logical reason… Though, why wouldn’t you want your beam to always crit?
There is still iterating that is being done, but it doesn’t actually look THAT bad.
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But current fodder, yes the rng sucks, but you can hold it, see where it is, play around it a little bit. With this you’ll have to press SPECTRAL SIGHT(THIS ISNT FUN), look around for half a second to fight the thing, cause you cant see it, then kill it, probably dash to the soul since it sounds stationary now, then go back to fighting. You’ll waste 3-4 GCDs doing nothing and lose your burst windows anyway, also doesn’t using spectral give you a 50% movement slow? Bro this sounds so terrible I might have to spec out of Fodder. I agree the RNG is bad, but this is lowkey even worse and it’s on a 1.5m cd? Really? Should be 45-1m cd TOPS.
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Fodder went from roughly 4 every 6 mins to 3 every 6 mins. Why is this good? Lining up fodder with burst is already easy unless you’re a monkey that randomly presses TG for some reason when it’s up.
If Spectral is 1.2-1.3 min CD then it would be fine.
Since it trade Spectral CD, a GCD for reliability.
The 1.5 min CD is the issue.
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this tells me you dont play havoc well in any solid level of pve
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Maybe in a pve respect the Fodder change is nice, but in PVP, this will be a major set back. Too many extra actions, the apm is already crazy for dh, we just made it worse to live and still while trying to keep up with ww, war, mage, hunter, ect, ect dmg.
Your burst theory, while looks fun, maybe works in pve, but will never work in pvp. The extra global to hit Spectral and find your demon, is enough time for some classes to take what could have been an offensive push for you and completely turn it around. The burst is to high in this game to be managing extra globals just to find a heal. It’s really not a strong, well thought out design. I do feel the metophorical ball has been dropped here in this design. Congats to PVE’ers if they find this change welcome, but from a PVP standpoint, it’s the death of the class. You can bookmark this and come back to it halfway through next season and either tell me I’m wrong, or well, you know.
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Na, you’re 100% spot on. It’s also terrible for pve. I raid mythic, 9/9m right now. I also do keys pretty high up each season. Imagine trying to burst in a key/raid with a half a dozen mechanics going out and you have to intentionally give yourself a 50% slow, find a demon, GCD kill, GCD get soul. Then start ramping.
This is so dog that I probably will have to talent out of Fodder next tier.
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You dont have to pick up a soul anymore it just goes on you, but having to use 2gcds and cancel your auto attack is trash design.
Every mutant spec i’ve tried on the ptr so far is terrible. The class feels absolutely terrible on the ptr. The highest spec i’ve found so far doesnt take anything that even workls with our tier set.
The DH dev is trolling everyone, rogues are melting on the PTR we are a clunky mess.
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it’s not 100% it’s 100% more than the baseline 15%, which is nerfed it’s 20% on live. So 30% outside of raid. It’s something but nothing at the same time.
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Literally nobody should be happy about these changes tbh. I was expecting some real reworks and big buffs, like just flat out 100% more glaive damage on top of some new juice talents. DH is terrible right now, legit the only thing keeping me from going warrior RIGHT NOW is the 5% magic debuff.
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Yea Realz plays a Rogue and got stood up by a DH once or something. None of what he/she does makes sense. Rogue just melting all 3 specs, DH just laughable.
The Spec will end up being playing around Inertia and Immo stacking and only the sweatiest of parsers will like it.
DH is going to go from keeping up momentum to praying for free immo procs
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That’s about what I figured, a low impact rng clown show. Nice rework.
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I am on here right now as well. This feels like a giant mess. Nothing feels like it flows, you are chasing cds, you are looking for a demon randomly, the changes in cds have comepletly left little to no synergy with abilities. I had very low expectations, seeing what the DH dev says in discord, but he really out did himself. This is literally the death of a class. We may be seeing it in real time for the first time.
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Even with the " WIP " talents not being available I can already tell it’s going to be some monstrosity build built entirely around Immo. I wouldn’t be surprised if Fel Rush and Immo are our top damage spells when the dust clears.
I just don’t understand how other classes can get banger PTR builds that are just completely broken and we just get dooky.
you can quite literally just keep your live gear and do 30k+ ST more than anything the new tier gives you.
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And immo isn’t even working on the ptr to test and use right now. GG blizz. Our dev is over his/her head. Absolutely no concept what is happening in the game around this class. I don’t say that out of spite, I say it from a place of an “investor” of sorts who pays for the product. This is grandstanding at best from the design side to say “look we did something” when the truth is they either don’t want to fix it, or are incapable. Those are the options. That’s it.
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They will nerf our current tier just like they did last time to force you into the new stuff. Watch.
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I don’t think he/she is in over their head I just genuinely believe they hate DH personally. Nothing makes sense, Rogue plays 1000x better in all 3 specs on the PTR than it does on live, same dev, breaks DH.
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