Guys, it’s looking VERY grim for DH. All they did was nerf the entire class, added another momentum window on top of momentum, great. Didn’t touch our aoe or ST at all except for flat out nerfs to every single talent on the tree, zero buffs. Spectral sight now spawns our demon instead of rng, but great now I have to waste a GCD doing that now. Like bro is the dude making these changes completely delusional?
Every change is literally a dps loss. The only semi cool thing we got is bladedance now absorbs 15% of our max hp in damage if we get hit during it and darkness is 100% dodge in keys(not raid).
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In what world is every change a nerf?
Havoc is an offspec for me but almost every change seems like a net positive, especially the increased meta uptime via meta becoming a 2m CD and the massive reduction in point costs in the spec tree allowing you to pick up more seems huge
All our good 2t nodes are being changed to 1t, so yes more talents to put into utility, but it’s still a damage nerf.
Meta CD is still 3m, idk where you’re getting 2m from.
Fodder is now baseline a 1.5m cd that you have to waste 2 GCDs on to proc. At least with the RNG Fodder I could get 3 procs in 1.5m.
Darkness 20% chance to dodge now 15%.
Buddy, do I have to call out all the nerfs or can you get some glasses equipped? Cause I can keep going.
We got a slight buff to immo aura, our lowest ST ability which we probably won’t even talent into for raid, and that’s it.
Remember when everyone was ranting at my opinion on the new tier set being bad, welp new talents are out and none of them buff our tier set or have any interactions with it. Hunt still trash and Glaive Throw still trash.
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every 2 pointer is a 1 pointer, momentum is now completely divorced and optional, inertia and momentgum are a a choice node. fodder being a on demand button is huge. you are literally dooming after taking two seconds to read and even less to understand.
this is huge because we gain more points for more impactful dps nodes with neds up being a net buff
read more i stg
if you like rng fodder then idk what to tell you it was heavily disliked and more of a issue the nthe momentum divide
that chance is double in non raid groups
it got giga juiced and has more support for aoe and st with isolated prey
more changes are coming according to the bluepost
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Buddy I’m sitting here looking at the talent tree and it just looks like a clunky mess, no shot we make this work w new tier set either. It’s just gonna play like garbage I can already tell. Like if it doesn’t look even remotely good, it’s probably just gonna be another gimmick build to slim out half what a good class can do.
You’re forgetting they’re nerfing all our fury generation nodes and we’re losing current tier set. It’s gonna feel like a warrior in classic for fury regen next patch.
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this post is gonna age like milk
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Buddy, every take I’ve made about DH since SL S1 has been 100% on point. Which is why I’m critical early, because if you just do nothing, they leave the class garbage for a year or longer.
I got all the praise for them finally giving us our utility back from SL, it’s about time, only took a year, but why all the dmg and fury nerfs? I swear it’s always 1 step forward 9 steps back.
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No one asked for more immo damage, people wanted to play without momentum so they added another micro manage momentum window. And they lowered target cap on some abilities. This is the biggest joke of a “rework” or even “buff” I’ve ever seen. Momentum enjoyers unite:metal:t2:
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They actually nerfed momentums damage buff and nerfed felrush by like 35%, so they got the bad end too lmao.
We’re all gonna be playing some cringe ST/GT build next tier that’s gonna feel like garbage to play with bad fury regen and if we do take EB we won’t have the talents for the combo of near 100% crit chance so that’s pretty much nerfed into the ground. It’s just all bad.
Gonna be some weird amalgamation spec.
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-fel rush buffed by 60%
please stop talking out your bum
its a choice node, yall need to read
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The only actual all around good change I saw was darkness 100% damage avoidance while not in raid. How much shasheesh did we smoke redoing DH?
but it’s still a damage nerf.
The damage of them are slightly nerfed, but is it truly a nerf if you’re able to take more damage talents because of the point reduction?
Meta CD is still 3m, idk where you’re getting 2m from.
3m baseline with 60s CDR from Rush of Chaos. 2m.
Fodder is now baseline a 1.5m cd that you have to waste 2 GCDs on to proc. At least with the RNG Fodder I could get 3 procs in 1.5m.
The CD is absurd I agree, but the big thing is that it is now controlled, meaning you can line it up with CDs, which is something most havocs have been asking for.
Darkness 20% chance to dodge now 15%.
In raid, yes. One of the few nerfs. It’s 30% in M+, which is huge, especially if the 2m CDR talent or increased duration become more easily accessible in the class tree rework.
Buddy, do I have to call out all the nerfs or can you get some glasses equipped? Cause I can keep going.
Please do, because most of the “nerfs” you’ve listed either aren’t fully nerfs or are buffs.
and it was buffed by60%, please use your highschool math skills
How exciting one of our lowest damage moves got 60% better and had the fury generation removed on single target. The hopium is heavy. This is a joke even more so when you look at what rogue got.
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It was buffed by 16% and they nerfed all the talents that buff it. Buddy you are delusional if you think Felrush is gonna be stronger with these changes.
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You read it wrong, Darkness chance to dodge is increased by 100%, not that its 100%.
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yes, because havoc has infinity fury gain. felrush with ubc hits like a truck and the 60% makes up for the loss of the extra talent point in ubc. fel rush generating fury is the sole reason why no mover builds were never going to be a thing. it not generating fury opens the doors for a normal df momentum build, a inertia build, and a truly a no movement build. if you cant see that then frankly you should be kept far away from tuning of any kind
where are you getting 16% from? please learn highschool math holy moly na moment
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My fault, DH is even worse. Thanks.
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Rush forward, incinerating anything in your path for (27.32%43.712% of Attack power) Chaos damage.
Where are you getting 60%? Lmao