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What are we even doing, at this point? I’m almost tempted to tell rogues who cry about changes to be careful what they wish for.
(broken link since due to my character’s level I’m not allowed to post links; it’s a dummy character, I’m EU, but Blizzard primarily reads these forums; if someone could post the correct link in the first comment I’d be grateful).
Patch notes seem good - 8sec c/d on icelance was very much needed, and the change of precision to all school hit was also needed.
At this point, with all of the nerfs Frost is literally playing Vanilla Minus
I realize Frost was insanely strong but one 8s CD ability and nerfing the hell out of everything else to “compensate” is a pretty lame comeup 20 years later
That’s huge in fact
Omg gross 
They really don’t want anyone to play frost in Forever. Message received.
Lance already had a 25% base damage nerf just like 2 weeks ago. This is such overkill catering to pvp whiners that got killed by a mage. 
Yeah, they need to bring the damage back up a bit with an 8s cooldown. Maybe not 300%, but at least 250%
Arcane and Fire have some minor issues but they’re in a great place.
Frost is a dumpster on fire, the yo-yo approach is getting pretty silly.
Everything that made Frost significant or even viable has already been removed.
Downranking nerfed to hell
Spell values and coefficients nerfed significantly
Multiple talent nerfs including Winters Chill
Piercing Ice removed completely
AOE Caps
Boosting/Dungeon Farming Completely gutted
No PvE Rotation to speak of, nerfed in pretty much every aspect and nerfed heavily in PvP, for what? A half baked spell that now has an 8s CD? Who are we designing this for?
ugggg frost lance getting the SLAM treatment XD. still leagues better but still…
this Armless warrior feel ya…
Let’s see here:
• Rogue
Can we please stop with this “data mined” BS? Even if it is true, Blizzard might be testing something internally. Stop freaking out about rumors. And if it is really coming, they will balance it later. Some players should just not play.
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Meh.
I already talented out of Icelance after trying it out. This won’t get me to try it out again.
It’s still plenty useful for bursting a target down after a nice pyro / arc wrath, but 8s seems long to me
I’m not PvPing, nor am I interested in fire or arcane. So yeah, not all that interested in ice Lance here either.
Rip. Mage only seems fun right now if you mix schools (to me)
This absolutely needed to be gutted.
Rolling a mage because it was the only efficient way to farm gold had such bad downsides to it. Basically made mages alts mandatory in classic if you weren’t doing RMT.
Taking single bits out of context is silly.
My point is Frost has had its entire class fantasy run through a trash compactor and has received nothing in return.
This is supposed to be Classic Plus, not Vanilla Minus.
They still pvp really well and will aoe just fine. They just can’t solo aoe entire dungeons and raids now. Your aoe damage didnt go down. Only how much you could slow things when soloing. It’s the shaman chain lightning thing all over. Class fantasy was not an OP spell.
Mages and warriors were too strong in some situations so they got changed. Being OP is not class fantasy.
lmao they really got rid of frost blast?
PvP may or may not be fine, hard to say without real world data but I have my doubts.
PvE absolutely is 100% not fine, Frost literally has no spell rotation, all they have is Frostbolt and possibly Ice Lance on an 8s CD.
How did AOE damage not go down exactly? Baseline and coefficients both nerfed, slow talents and base values nerfed along with capping AOE lol, have you read any of the patch notes or looked at any relevant info to this discussion or is it just a feelscraft type approach?
Edit: Just to be clear, I’m not advocating Mages, frost or otherwise be a hero class, I have no issue with tuning abilities, scaling damage values up or down as needed but Frost is absolutely cooked in it’s current iteration, anyone who claims it’s fine is being willfully ignorant.