New Class - Bard? - Thoughts?

It really depends on Blizzards vision for classes going forward. We obviously aren’t getting a support archetype for the game. But that doesn’t mean the Bard class won’t bring utility, buffs, and debuffs that help the party/raid.

If it was a healer, ranged dps, melee dps there are a plethora of buffs they could provide as well as debuffs.

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So once again, the buffs would have to be either so trivial/minor they don’t matter.

Or they’d be so important they become the only required class for raiding.

exactly something like that. It doesn’t have to be a major debuff like a warlock, but something like that. or one the regen part…have it do like a rank 3 rejuv that a druid can cast. :slight_smile:

I’m glad to see you have finally given up on the support notion

you should probably move out of the classic mindset before trying to present ideas to the retail audience.

the game you are playing is very, very different than the game we are playing.

so… you want enhance shamans to be able to cast a heal? good news! they can.

right now, the only classes that provide other benefits to players are:
monk (physical debuff)
dh (magic debuff)
paladin (kings)
mage (int)
priest (fort)
warrior (attack power)

I think that’s it. those don’t make them support classes. A group can function quite well without the above classes (there are even scrolls you can make/buy to replicate the mage/priest/warrior party buffs).

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If you spread the love of magic damage and physical damage increase that DH and Monk have exclusivity to currently it helps. Right now those are the only 2 classes that provide those debuffs.

Try to think outside of the very tiny box AOE-Diablo-Wow has become.

That’s the more interesting question. But yeah probably 10 years too late.

15 years too late. the game was designed around the tank/heal/dps trinity. trying to shoehorn a support class in would be awkward and just… disruptive.

it would complicate raid planning, party formation, instance design, etc.

Basically. They’d need to (I feel) completely change how combat works in WoW.

EverQuest has support classes. They work in a group setting because combat is different. You deal with 1 (typically) giant mob at a time. The mob is in camp longer, etc.

In raiding, it would bug me even more. A raid group is judged by how many bards they have, and you basically need one in every single group.

I just want a class that isn’t a druid that can RDPS and tank. That’s it (Heck, I don’t even care if it’s a spec tacked onto an existing class (Demon hunters, cough, cough…). We have healers, we have TONS of melee. We don’t need this. In fact, what you’re talking about sounds like a reskinned monk that doesn’t DW. So no. Also, bards aren’t really a Warcraft thing. Never really have been. I’d like to see other classes/things from actual Warcraft lore (like necromancers) first.

Nah. The game was designed as an easier more forgiving EQ not, the brainless arcade cleave game its become. The playerbase took it to where it is now.

I do agree it’s too late to change it back to something with some depth.

well, support can be done also. health regen songs, mana regen songs, attack buff songs, haste songs. there can be many different aspects of it.

I was always meaning for the class to be categorized as a DPS class, but with supportive capabilities.

Again if you bring too much utility it would not be a good thing. I thought you were getting that. Apparently not.

Having so much utility would be unfair to other classes. There have been so many tears shed over class balance. I don’t know how I can put it more simply.

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YES! Bard!

DEATH METAL!

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I do understand it, and I’m not saying that it has to be PURE utility. Some yes, but not to the point where it makes the class completely useless.

But, debuffing a boss is still considered a utility for the group. I’m just tossing out ideas of what could be done.

Bards are boring. Give us tinkers instead.

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they aren’t that boring. boring to me would be just sitting back and doing nothing but casting or shooting arrows

I didn’t belittle anyone. And I specifically gave you feedback on support classes.

Pot meet kettle…

No. It is not. It’s a pure DPS class.

Have you even played Shaman recently? :face_with_raised_eyebrow: They don’t have group buffs. They don’t stop to heal with their one lousy heal. Their totem talent is only for them. They have utilities like other classes, but they are not even remotely a support.

So you either don’t understand what a support class is in a MMO or you don’t play a Shaman.

This isn’t Classic. Play retail and then tell us how this will even remotely work.

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No thanks. I rather have any other class suggestion but barfs lmao

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It needs to be somewhat challenging. Perhaps riff of the priest would mend all the priests or riff of the monk would heal monks. It seems like targeting specific characters doesn’t make sense for a bard. A could down for song of battle etc.