New BIG changes for hunter

[Färfa-zuljin]

This will fix absolutly nothing with BM AoE…

It ll be easier to manage Barbed Shot tho, with increased duration.

Maybe the new Cobra Shot mechanic will fit in there, as we wont be casting Barbed Shot as much. But 6 times seems a big high to get a small 10 seconds buff.

I might create a character on PTR for the 1st time this looks interesting.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Färfa-zuljin

This will fix absolutly nothing with BM AoE…

Please actually read.

@Druwuîd-wild-growth

Previously, AC reduced damage of your two pets by 35%, which means that combined your pets were doing 130% more damage. If a single pet is doing 100% of its damage and you subtract 35% from it you get 65%. If you have two pets doing 65% of normal damage then combined they’re performing 130% more damage. With the removal of the -35% from AC, you have two pets doing 100% for a total of what is basically 200% damage. All they’re doing is reducing the damage of abilities by 35% instead of doing it via an aura, which is huge. An aura nerf is always going to hurt more than a simple ability nerf, this is just how the game works. The 35% aura nerf also affected stuff like Dire Beast and Huntsmaster’s call, because its an aura. That aura affected everything that could be considered a pet.

Notably, this is a pretty big buff for Beast Cleave, and BM’s AoE has always been on the weaker side. Since AC is no longer nerfing pet auto attack damage, this is a buff to Beast Cleave, a buff Laceration (since there is no more aura reducing damage by 35%), a buff to Huntsmaster’s Call (since there is no aura reducing pet damage), a buff to the Bloodshed + Venomous Bite choice node combo (since Bloodshed increases pet damage by 15% and Venomous increases this by another 15%, even if Bloodshed is now doing 35% less instant damage), and its a buff to Bestial Wrath because there is no more aura reducing damage by 35%.

Trust me, this is a pretty huge deal and is going to go a long way towards improving BM, especially their AoE.

@Taigertraps-darkspear

Source?
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ttps://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-534486

[Färfa-zuljin]

Just saying but, your 2nd pets damage is ONLY Kill Command, not basics.

You got it all wrong.

[Airickson-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Solid changes so far but it doesn’t solve the issues of never needing to press arcane shot or mongoose bite.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Färfa-zuljin

Just saying but, your 2nd pets damage is ONLY Kill Command, not basics.

You got it all wrong.

Base pet damage went up due to losing the AC penalty. So no you are actually wrong.

[Färfa-zuljin]

Most of our pet damage comes from Stromp and Kill Command, not basics.

[Mshamburglar-whisperwind]

Simple go look at your logs and see what’s the top AoE damage and come back again

[Sunhorn-silvermoon]

i hope there’s visuals for the “Bleak Arrows” talent that makes our auto shot do shadow dmg, shooting shadow arrows would be sick as hell lol.

[Druwuîd-wild-growth]

@Färfa-zuljin

Just saying but, your 2nd pets damage is ONLY Kill Command, not basics.

@Färfa-zuljin

Most of our pet damage comes from Stromp and Kill Command, not basics.

@Mshamburglar-whisperwind

Simple go look at your logs and see what’s the top AoE damage and come back again

Honestly, this just proves that you don’t really have any understanding of how Hunter Pets work. For the record, using Details, my pets contribute an entire 33% of outgoing damage with basic attacks. The only ability that beats out basic attacks is, naturally, Kill Command. So when you no longer have an aura reducing pet damage by 35%, yes your pet’s basic attacks are going to now be doing more damage, which means that yes, Beast Cleave (which deals 80% of your pet’s auto attack damage to nearby targets!!!) is now going to also be doing more damage. There is a reason why Barbed Shot causes your pets to gain up to 90% attack speed; a good portion of your pet damage is going to come from auto attacks. That’s literally how the class is designed.

Further, Animal Companion has always been kind of misleading in its text. Your second pet will do everything your first pet does except for pet abilities like Claw or Bite. This means your second pet is still dealing damage with auto attacks, Kill Command, Stomp, Beast Cleave, Laceration, Basalisk Collar, and Bloodshed. This has been proved for as long as Animal Companion has existed by other players. If you’re going to pretend to know what you’re talking about, at least do research about the subject in question.

And finally, most of BM’s AoE comes from Beast Cleave. And guess what Beast Cleave does? Lets your pets with a 90% attack speed steroid damage nearby enemies with said basic attacks. Not even Stomp out damages Beast Cleave. All of this to say that AC no longer having an aura that nerfs pet basic attacks by 35% is going to result in a direct buff to Beast Cleave AoE. This is literally not rocket science.

[Chocola-jaedenar]

It is a net 0 nerf to KC since animal companion’s damage reduction was removed

[Daleb-eonar]

Merciless Blows seems like a big buff for PL for Survival with the AS% buffs from Bloodsucker talent but I still hate that KC is the feature for Pack Leader.

[Bougre-hyjal]

on the internet

[Draeven-wyrmrest-accord]

Looks like they’re doubling down on forcing Animal Companion on people who don’t want the clutter of two pets.

[Deathisyou-azgalor]

A little concerned about losing Overshadow. Aimed shot and rapid fire got a 20 percent damage increase from this. I don’t see the damage being made up on rapid fire and aimed shot anywhere. Maybe the other skills offset this?

[Taigertraps-darkspear]

@Snozay-area-52

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ttps://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-534486

Would be nice if we actually got these before the first raid.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Mshamburglar-whisperwind

Simple go look at your logs and see what’s the top AoE damage and come back again

There are no logs for war within yet.

Seriously you have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Whitetyrone-grizzly-hills]

Omg can this patch just go live now !?!?

I want to play these dark ranger changes so bad.

[Búshybeard-area-52]

This feels like it could be a good thing for bm aoe but I’m not sure how useful black arrow is going to be replacing kill command and basically just being an execute, I also wonder if with the removal of the damage reduction from ac if pack leader will end up working out better too

[Whitetyrone-grizzly-hills]

The final dark ranger talent lets you also use it above 80%. Also don’t forget the profs where it doesn’t care about health %. I can’t wait to play this.

[Asynic-blades-edge]

Another point to mention is Improved Kill Shot on the base Hunter tree is replaced with Death Blow, so Dark Ranger can Black Arrow above 80%, below 20%, and get RNG procs in between