IDC what you call it, IDC if you even choose to remove retribution aura to place this in our bars.
New aura: reduce threat generation for all allies except tank
the why: tanks have a hard time keeping agro when people try to blow stuff up.
Though let’s be real here for a hot minute… I am tired of blowing my load and getting blown apart because ret threat generation is through the roof and no tank other than prot paladin can generate aoe threat fast enough to not lose it the second I pop wings and do 1 divine storm
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If you know you are going to blow your load, have your tried bop or shield before you blow said load? It doesn’t seem enough ret do this. Also, I find not enough dps focus the primary target of the tank. It helps a lot to target the focus of your tank. Some amount of responsibility does rely on you to use your cds and utility competently
the suggestion is the only solution, but you think this solution is good?
i have to use all my defensives in order to do my offensive? any other class has to do it?
the problem is divine storm doesnt focus one target and grabs a ton of agro.
I can kinda (if not a bit hesitant) get behind it. As a healer it’s almost RNG when rets do and don’t get aggro during wings. Maybe this will help, but I think Devotion aura is still the best IMO.
well you can swap to devo when u are not blowing your load, and swap to the other aura before u blow ur load, while running between packs
The cleave damage of divine storm isn’t pulling aggro off of a competent tank if you are focusing your primary damage on his target. Also, I’m guessing you are going in and blowing wake of ashes before you use divine storm, seeing as one generates holy power and 1 consumes it
Wings->final reckoning->ashes->divine storm, if i dont wait for like 5 seconds of tank grabbing agro, i will grab aoe agro on everything except maybe the main target.
You can say tank is bad, but lets be real, the problem is the threat generation on ret
No other class has this issue, the only one that could would be fire mage but they got their clones to reduce their agro taken. rets need some agro reduction passively/actively for the i go burrrr pulls
I have seen this happen a few times tbh, couldn’t you guys wait a few sec before bursting? I’ve noticed the majority of the time where I see it happens is the ret don’t give tank time to grab all the aggro before initiating rotations.
I do it, I’m just saying, rets are the only class that has to do it, we already not doing well for damage output, we also have to wait to do dmg while others can use their cds freely.
We aren’t doing horribly for damage output, but nowhere near top damage output due to long cds compared to other classes, and we can’t even dps some of the times when we do have our cooldowns.
Extremely frustrating gameplay from that perspective.
Easiest solution -> give us back blessing of sanc
I’d rather see Blessing of Salvation come back, rather than making it an aura that competes with Devo.
With wings up, it very often is. 25k DPS on aoe pulls is hard for a tank to compete with, and when DS/Toll/Wake/Sanctified Wrath spill damage everywhere, it doesn’t so much matter what you’re targeting.
That said, yeah, exercising some restraint goes a long way, and you can always bubble or BoP if you pull more aggro than expected.
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which is the problem with ret agro at the moment, we actually have to blow our strongest defensive in order to do our biggest damage, degenerate gameplay at its finest.
Or, we stand back and wait, and wait, and wait, while others started doing dmg, we still wait, because we know, if we go in now with our load, first things mobs do is get those red anime eyes, look at you, and you just die instantly
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I think this is something that your healers should be prepared for. Anytime I see big burst from ANY dps that’s goes to 25k + I immediately bop them just I be safe.
I mean, healers can prepare all they want, if u get 1 shot not much they can do about it, not everyone has bop xD
I am not saying there is no solution to this by modifying your gameplay, I am saying the gameplay is not rewarding.
If rets were top of the dmg charts, then waiting to do damage as a compensation for their big damage would make sense, but even if we dont wait we arent top of the charts, if we wait we are def not gonna be anywhere near it.
Blowing a bubble to do our big damage, waiting 5-10 seconds on a pull to do big damage are not only counter intuitive, it just feels bad, and we are the only class that really needs to do it.
I don’t see warriors worrying about becoming a spinny top, mages can use their CDs whenever they want which does more damage then our burst, boomkins dont worry about agro, hunters have misdirect, and everyone else doesnt burst aoe as hard as far as I can recall at the moment.
trueeeeee, sucks to not be hpal 
How not to pull Agro off any tank not a Protpally/Vdh
Do NOT open with wings—> wake—> BoJ then spend. U will pull aggro. And not every tank has an AOE taunt.
Open with judgement—> BoJ —> CS—> wings —> How. U should have 5 Hp by then and with wings up. Spend accordingly.
This for trash packs when the tank has to tank many mobs.
On a single target ie bosses the first opener is fine.
Or just… maybe wait 3 seconds for threat… or… you know… don’t do an all out burst at the start of a pull?
I always just run in with shield of vengeance prior to a big pull then go through my rotation and once it pops from aggro hitting bubble of BoP that way I don’t rip aggro right back after it expires.
The aggro is insane with final Reckoning.
The suggestion to give a few seconds to the tank to grab aggro doesnt work, ive tried this, similar to classic gameplay. I still pulled aggro off of the bear tank in +11 SD. It was very annoying. Everytime i seraphim+wings+DT+TV it pulled mobs off of the tank and i insta died.
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As I mentioned earlier, the problem is the condition of not grabbing agro only ret paladin suffers from, all other DPS don’t have to go through this hassle, esp not melee, AND to top it all off, it’s not like we are rewarded with top tier damage to compensate the fact we have to wait to do our dps.
you forgot to mentiont that even to open with this opener, you still need to wait about 5 seconds on top of the 3 GCDs in that opener, as soon as you pop wings you will grab aoe agro, the problem is divine storm’s agro grab.
Again, the fact you need to use ur biggest defensives in order to do your biggest damage (WHICH IS NOT TOP TIER) is the issue.
I already said there are work arounds for agro grab, such as waiting and bubble, but rets are the only ones that have to deal with this bs
