With the logs tanks are beating people with same skill/Ilvl as dps and you can not say its to much. This what happens when people are better than they where the first time. They will have to do something or 85% of dps are not happy. Its the 95th in the logs so its not an skill issue.
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or the DPS could… be better?
If you are talking about raids, this is pretty normal with tanks getting 60k+ extra AP.
If you are talking about 5mans. then the DPS are just bad
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This is so backwards it’s not funny.
Dps should get 15-20k+ AP casters should get int for free when they are doing mechanics too then? tanks are getting tons of AP and crit for simply tanking punches… 
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Yeah, Vengeance sucks from a dps perspective. We’re literally just there to do damage, but tanks are now hero classes with insane survivability and better damage than dps. lol
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This is with Same skill level and ilvl in raid so its the best 95th. Its not an skill issue. Thats too much.
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What’s problematic about an actively tanking tank doing more dps?
I could see an argument if raids started stacking tanks, but otherwise, I’m not sure what you may be suggesting is the issue…
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The problem is they are beating 85%-90% of the dps and theres already raids stacking tanks. This means some specs are not even worth coming because tanks can beat them overall.
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You ever stop to wonder if the tanks just might be having a good time rn. Like you need them to play so you can. All it does is make the kill easier for your group anyway.
Fragile mfrs
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Are there?
Anyone have links to logs of raids stacking tanks?
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I was going to bring my mage to raid but i might as well dps on a prot warrior.
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DPS without the benefit of high level raid gear to spike their numbers up are losing to tanks whose Vengeance gains will remain static throughout the entire tier? Say it isn’t so
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it will and even tanks gonna be get better with gear too.
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quick look though warcraft logs and all i see is standard number of tanks per boss
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You seem to not understand how tank damage works. It almost entirely comes from Vengeance. Gear is not going to impact their damage to the same degree it will actual dps, and bosses are going to deal the same base damage at the end of the tier as they do at the beginning, so Vengeance is going to be the same all the way through until the next raid, where the cycle will repeat only with less of an extreme thanks to dps having the benefit of the previous tier’s gear
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Only fight this is really happening on is Emp and thats because of the dance! Other than tanks should not be out dpsing dps!
I do know how it works
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Grants Attack Power equal to 1.8% of unmitigated damage taken for 20 sec.
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Attack Power buff from Vengeance is capped at the player’s maximum health.
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A dodge, parry, or miss will grant Vengeance as if the strike landed.
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Receiving a critical hit will reduce Vengeance gain from that attack by 50%.
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Standing in persistent area damage effects, like fire on the ground, does not grant Vengeance.
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Taunting a target currently attacking another tank will make you inherit 50% of the current target’s Vengeance.
and new boss will hit harder and tanks will have more hp pool so more veng to more damage. This will basically stay the same.
I mean, why is this an actual problem? The content doesn’t really need to be further tuned around this does it?
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I’m having fun parsing on my hunter! Marks is fun!
They don’t add new bosses to existing raids
Why are u marks?
Isnt surv better?