Nerf raz on normal

[Monkiy-pagle]

@Anseria-wyrmrest-accord

And what do parses and pugging have in common exactly?

We have plenty of parses of pug groups killing the boss. Parses are the proof. What a silly question.

[Believed-emerald-dream (Believed)]

I’d love to see the success rate of PUG groups killing this boss it won’t be a pretty sight.

[Fauxstrasza-area-52]

The secret to success is do it on a Tuesday.

[Jelincic-kelthuzad]

@Wilding-emerald-dream

Bunch of elitists on this forum out of touch with reality. Not surprised.

You’re just a noob. You are alone here. Think about that.

[Rhythalia-stormrage]

I killed N raz after 4th attempt with my guild. My guild isnt even midrange.

Maybe tell your players to do some homework with videos.

[Jamak-saurfang]

As someone whos tried ras 50+ times i have got to p3 a handfull of times in 3 different groups and only ones to the storm add at p3 (didnt kill it). The rest poop the bed before p2

So yes plz on making it easier. Im half there for the loot (that ill roll for and fail, did the whole raid without 1 drop) and the other half to finish the quest to kill ras

[Moorlande-moon-guard]

Ras itself contains issues and is contrasting what I think people were looking forward to when moving away from Shadowlands.

Right now, an extended fight with a lot of instant kill mechanics causes a lot of people to wipe. And by attrition alone the average player cannot pug in a group for 2+ hours it takes to fully coalesce a group that’s both knowledgeable and skilled enough to kill it.

The majority of the actions themselves suffer similar to what Dathea suffers from: An oversaturation in boss-centric spells leading to a bit of perception-based difficulty in parsing where, what, and when things are happen. Often Raszageth’s abilities overlap. Especially in P1.

[Allolria-khazgoroth]

@Wilding-emerald-dream

I’ve wiped over 30 times trying to PUG this

It’s really not that hard, though there is an argument to be made that it should be treated more like M+ is - maybe if you wipe a minimum 30 times you get a free mythic raid ilvl choice from the great vault?

[Eltharius-zuljin]

Nerf it to lfr levels so I can do it.

[Jarlton-area-52]

@Dragonqt-stormrage

If you wait for people who have enough brain cells to do a few mechanics then you wait 3 hours in que to get enough people

If you’re wanting fights that can be cleared with minimal brain cells, LFR already exists.

[Nuwala-mankrik]

odd. i have had reverse luck with normal raz. 3 weeks in a row i pugged him and 3 weeks we 1 shotted him. he is literially no harder than any other boss in there on normal i found.

so not saying that heroic raz needs a nerf either, but it probably wouldnt hurt considering that pugs can go in and 1 shot the 1st 7 bosses and struggle to make a p2 transition on raz. and its not a mechanical issue. its just a damage output vs unavoidable damage taken problem.

[Fläshock-tichondrius]

I expected normal rasz to be harder but we got it in a couple pulls iirc.

Heroic dathea was a wall for me personally. Had like 50 pulls but they did end up nerfing it.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Ragman-blackwater-raiders

Thats why a lot of guilds have ditched trying to kill Raz on normal and jump straight into Heroic, because outside of Terros, most are meme fights…

They’ve been making end bosses quite hard for a while now except normal Jailor (not sure if that is a good or bad thing, just what it is).

Per wowprogress ~1000 more guilds are 2/8 mythic than 8/8 heroic.

[Henceforth-area-52]

@Anseria-wyrmrest-accord

Record a complete pug experience of razs with this claim. The reality is pug players are npcs. Asking them to do more than one mechanic is like asking a child to do rocket science.

the players you just described shouldn’t be able to kill Raz at all in normal… and I have my doubts about LFR!

[Edgyjojomeme-nathrezim]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

it’s not supposed to be free.

you have two more difficulties to flex on kill, normal should be doable without perfectly executing every mechanic and not having more than two dead dps

[Durac-malygos]

remember when back in the day, instant death mechanics were something to avoid and not go to the forums and cry about?

[Edgyjojomeme-nathrezim]

Back in the day bosses didn’t have fifty complex overlapping mechanics.

It really didn’t start until MoP

[Sphinxyii-lightbringer]

Incorrect. You should be able to put gear an instance or carry a few team mates with disabilities. WoW is suppose to be a social game. In all societies there are under performers. They pay the same rate as everyone else. “Normal” should be for those people. Heroic and mythic should be completely removed. Those modes are for toxic elitists.

[Allolria-khazgoroth]

@Henceforth-area-52

the players you just described shouldn’t be able to kill Raz at all in normal

Why should players not good enough to time a M+ be rewarded with boosted ilvl great vault loot, but players not good enough to kill normal Razza get nothing?

[Svelte-maelstrom]

@Sphinxyii-lightbringer

You should be able to put gear an instance or carry a few team mates with disabilities. WoW is suppose to be a social game. In all societies there are under performers. They pay the same rate as everyone else. “Normal” should be for those people.

This I agree with, actually. I think there should be room for “beer league” players in normal raids. Guilds should be able to carry their 1-3 friends who do not perform as well as the others.

@Sphinxyii-lightbringer

Heroic and mythic should be completely removed. Those modes are for toxic elitists.

But this is just silly. Why remove harder content for people who want to do it?

That said, I think the Rasz fight is pretty fun. On normal it really is just about following directions. We’ve got one player in our guild who gets hit by that beam every single time and I really cannot understand how, when our raid lead calls it coming every single time …