Frost been one of the worst specs in 3s all expansion and F tier during all shadowlands minus 2 months (early S3).
Meanwhile boomies doing 100k dps pressing instants and fake casting clones in the middle of the map 80% of the game.
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Seems fine to me but I have 52% haste and use the 2 set for large glacial spikes. Your solo shuffle rating is slightly higher than mine so you seem to be doing just fine 
I queud with a frost mage last night and he didnt die one time in 2 hours and would solo 1 shot ppl 100-0 with ray of frost.
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Yeap I do that regularly on my frost mage 
so? Frost still one of the worst specs in the entire game.
By that logic enhance is also S tier since Saul plays it in top 50?
lol
Fire also awful (worse).
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Ok buddy let’s see.
Ranged specs:
S TIER: ARCANE, ELE,DESTRO,BOOMIE
A TIER: BM HUNTER, DEMO, SP, DEV EVOKER
B TIER: AFF LOCK, FROST MAGE
C TIER: MM HUNTER, FIRE MAGE
So yea, I found 2 specs that are probably worse than frost mage.
Therefore it is one of the the worse 3v3 specs in the entire game.
There’s also a GIGANTIC gap with specs like boomie, destro, ele in terms of what they contribute to the team.
Like we’re not talking 5-10% better.
(I’m not talking about shuffle)
To be fair, boomy kinda dookies on frost mage, but not because of standing in the middle of the map casting clones. If a boomy is getting clones on you as a frost mage then youre doing something wrong o.O
says the guy that can’t be sheeped lol
LMFAO.
good reads
(and breaks all roots/skows with shift).
Ya thats a big part of it, but mostly:
Moreover their damage pattern is just really sticky. Cant kite a moonkin and their dots are always whittling away at you and mage is relatively susceptible to sustained damage since ice barrier is p weak. Also incarn lasts longer than greater invis and alter time so it’s not like you can just rotate and trade effectively vs their cds.
I stand by this.
Moonkin does really well into and should beat frost mage in a vacuum, but it’s not because of clone is all im saying. If the moonkin is in range to clone he can be db/knocked/kicked as well and also is pushed up enough to take real damage where the shifting isn’t gonna be as impactful. Usually when i fight frost mages tho i kinda just pillar and max range and pve and it feels impossible to lose. Feels like the only way i can ever get punished is IF I go in for clones, ya know?
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I get what you’are saying and you’re mostly right.
How ever, even when a boomie pushes in, you can’t deny clones more often than not.
Usually it’s not the only thing that you have to kick in the game.
There’s also very little downside of getting kicked on clones, you go back to doing damage and you clone back after your lock out.
Like frost mage doesn’t have the tools to prevent a boomie from controlling the game.
Also, if I’m not mistaken the reason why druids can’t be sheeped is lore based.
Feel like that mechanic is really outdated, at least for boomie, less of a problem for resto dru imo.
Don’t see any reason why that’s still in the game.
Considering how op clone is.
Ya. I’m not trying to split hairs or say that boomy is bad into mage; I think it’s the opposite. It also depends what the boomy is partnered with, obviously.
I actually kinda disagree with this. Since clone is only a 20 yd range, thats the best time to hit and kite back from the boomy and you can get a TON of free damage off and not even get cloned. And if you do get cloned, you’re totally safe because you cant take any damage/cc for 6 seconds. Getting cycloned low, though is SUPER brutal. Also clone kinda negates your alter time in its entirety.
Depends. Into melee cleaves you kinda just explode. Into wizards you’re right, just reapply moonfires, send a surge or two, and shift as needed to reposition.
I dunno what your 3rd partner is, but it’s obviously insanely punishing to get kicked into rmp because then you have 0 support for your team during a go AND youre not ok any DRs which makes you a viable swap target after.
Oh definitely not on its own. That being said, can frost mage do that to ANY class on its own besides like… warrior? And even then they can still connect and get off a bladestorm.
Mage obviously has insane control and kiting potential, but it’s not like they can prevent an entire spec from playing the game by themselves in a standard 3v3 environment.
Ya outdated feral/moonkin thing.
I think EVERYONE, especially moonkin and feral players would like to see cyclone nerfed and their survivability buffed.
Or maybe not all specs can or should be s tier at the same time.
Frost is fine, arcane is just too gucci right now.
Ya. Kinda reminds me of arms warriors atm, tbh.
Arms is fine. It’s not S tier or the best melee by any stretch of the imagination; in fact, it’s relatively bad by comparison. However, it’s NOT bad and really doesnt need any buffs imo (although i do think it could have damage from bleeds redistributed to mortal strikes to reward it for having more uptime).
wheres buff dragon
Hopefully gone forever.
shoulda been a tank
No one said every spec shud be S tier.
Also don’t think a spec should always be mid or bad.
Interesting take from a DH player tho.
frost mage is A tier buddy. Just because you are bad at it doesn’t mean the spec is bad.
You’re wrong and that’s okay. Just learn from it.