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are you saying trap set up takes more skill as a SV then BM?
want clarification
No way there are hunters drooling at the keyboard heavy enough to defend bm hunter right, that would be like me defending ringing clarity lol
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crazy people have different game preference than you right?
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i agree remove pet verse fido doesnt get buff because my rings are enchanted.
Yeah I guess having a preference to make the game less fun is cool
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again opinion based right
Fact based
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Haveto agree with op.
Played some games on rogue and lock around 1600 lately and have been facing more and more BMâs. 220+ ilvl a lot of the time vs my 213 ilvl and the dmg they are dealing is quite scary. Its not just a high sustain dmg its the burst of flayed shot procs that make it worse.
All they do is spam cdâs on you, trap healer on cd, FD on cd to remove debuffs.
Its so ez to perform on at lower ratings because everything it does is instant and 100% mobile. And as far as interupting healers goes they have trap, explosive trap, ranged kick, blanket silence, intimidate stun etc etc. Its too much
Only very few 3s comps do that, spec is just as crazy in 3s
SV is what BM should actually be and then SV/MM should be Wotlk/Cata/MoP versions and the class is fixed pvp wise in 5 minutes
But in all serious BM is designed to be a very simple beginner friendly spec, the fact that it has little depth but performs well up until the very highest competitive levels is sad
I like hunter being good but BM obviously gives very little to strive for; it is shallow and the entire goal is to just keep doing damage
Healer being tunneled? Just keep doing your dps rotation, youâre not peeling
Partner being tunneled? Keep doing damage, you offer no support otherwise
At least in the past when counterpressure was your option as a hunter you had so much more to generate counterpressure with extra CC chains or ways to set up a kill by yourself but youâre basically just spamming whatever lights up as BM and hoping for the best
If other specs in the game and other hunter specs get more love in 9.1 as far as depth goes from newer honor talents etc. it is possible it can fade into irrelevance for it being a spec so mechanically lacking though which maybe is the way to balance it, for now though thereâs nothing to change besides a rework
FWIW I really want hunter to be competitive/top tier, but BM is just a flawed spec that doesnât make the game interesting when it is the competitive spec; itâs downfalls in simplicity anyways hold it back at absolute peak skill level even when incredibly powerful. Only time they maybe had it better was in WoD
Positioning/timing of when to properly go for a trap does matter more as SV to max out itâs value so depends how you look at it
As long as youâve been pumping dmg as BM the trap is good to go whenever really
Probably all they meant
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Half a year of shadowlands. Playing so much your wife leaves and takes the kids because you neglect them and
Is what you have to show for it
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idk some specs suck for the game
I agree that things shouldnât be ânerfed into the groundâ or âguttedâ when theyâre too strong
but bm and demo just suck to play against
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Tbh I think demo just sucks cause of spamming imps, wouldnât mind it otherwise
Hate that unholy can also have extra npcs
Pet based specs need to be limited to like 2 npcs with them max, this is pmuch the only thing I like about BM
I just remember in Legion Junashâs laptop started smoking/bluescreened because we let a demo lock get too many imps
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Itâs just not a well designed spec. The amount of abilities/plays the feral can do compared to the hunter is just 4 to 1. The only skill a bm hunters can have is trapping without cc on the target, and it doesnât even matter as much because you have enough damage that you donât need a cc chain you just trap whenever.
Iâm having fun playing it because itâs OP but such a simple spec shouldnât be part of one of the top 3 ladder comps. The only reliable counter to it is an rdruid.
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Its amazing how much sense this makes and blizz couldnât get that. Literally just rename retail surv as BM and do as you said with the other two specs.
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Ok, understood. But the actual trap set up is way easier for SV due to the fact you can go to the player on intsa and place it while on BM the only real way to make sure is stun and place so there more of a tell and easier to counter. To recap SV has an easier( reliable) trap go.
As for BM, coming from a different class in the past expac. Blizzard did a great job for new players since you really just need to learn to position and gives you more time to learn awareness. Due to it being friendly to new players this, in turn, helps players learn more aspects of PVP ( which is great) for new players as they keep them engaged.
I am not speaking absolutes here but more so on average it is a great design to introduce the player to arena and helps them learn the other tools you need to be good in arena
of course, as I said in the past Hunter has its faults that seem to be made by design ( on purpose) so the Devs vision is not something a lot of more seasoned players like or are aligned with
Ya except itâs also bringing you away from your kill target when you do that
It is fine that an entry level spec exists
Itâs not good that it outperforms the specs with more depth/counterplay when player skill grows
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no different than BM expect you get a higher chance to land it, unless you mean as BM you can set the stun to go all the way to the person you want to land the trap and still do DPS while doing it then yeah BM has that. But the actual set up SV is much more reliable to land the trap
True, would you say this issue is unique to Hunter in WOW? Say Arms warrior vs other Specs or Say Balanced Druid, Do these specs have a mechanical competence higher than BM?
there is a difference between specs being overtuned and a spec deliberately designed to be 100% forgiving regardless of tuning
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