Nelf Fans, don't pre-order

That’s on you for caring about the population.

I mean, 'twas evident that Blizz didn’t care about pop as far as Vanilla/BC. Blood Elves, on the verge of extinction following the events of the Scourge. Why not massacre all those who followed Kael’thas to Outland! And we do kill a crapload of them. Heck! Even before WoW! In Warcraft III, the Darkspears, Taurens and Orcs were on the verge of extinction too. I highly doubt 4 years is enough to replenish a population to fighting capabilities.

Unless Warcraft Orcs were supposed to be like the Orkz. Now, maybe I’d agree on the 4 years.

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This is the wisest take. Sylvanas is a fictional character. She has no agency, autonomy, or capacity for independent thought and behavior. Everything she does is dictated by the devs (which is who players should be mad at). But the devs somehow managed to foist most of the blame and hatred onto a puppet. She’s not the source of the problem. She’s just a symptom of it like Garrosh, Varimathras, Putress, etc.

Her removal is not likely to fix much. The devs managing to generate so much enthusiasm among players for her death is detrimental if anything. It serves as reinforcement for them to repeat this story again. Events like the Destruction of Theramore and the Burning of Teldrassil are cheap, lazy, and manipulative. But they’ve proven effective in getting players invested/engaged in the story by hyping them up to kill whichever Horde character committed the most recent atrocity against the Alliance. At this point, Blizzard probably sees this framework as a guaranteed method to hook players (and their money) in.

Expressing excessive eagerness for killing Sylvanas will just encourage the devs to make Geya’rah nuke Nordrassil in the expansion after next. So, once again, players will be inflamed and so intent killing her that they’ll continue playing and paying, even though they’re unhappy with more loss.

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Why introduce new villains when they will never kill off Sylvanas? They will just have Sylvanas around forever and hope for people to stay subbed, thinking they will eventually get to kill her.

Little do they know that you don’t have to play the game to follow through the lore.

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Then maybe you should focus on that instead of what appears to be your every waking moment complaining. Blizzard doesn’t read the story forums.

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What do they read then? I also posted in the General forums and on reddit with a few thousand upvotes. Where would be the best place to give feedback and to complain about this issue?

Sylvanas dying literally fixes everything
She finally exhausted her usefullness as a character if has a story beyond shadowlands, then blizzard truely doesnt know how to write

The scenario isn’t available any more, so that’s a safe bet.

I wount be preordering. I was burned with wc3 reforged. Only a moth left on my sub and dont have any plans on coming back, at least until more SL info is available. blizzcon reveal for shadowlands was incredibly underwhelming, there was so little to show us. The only thing that was shown was Sylvans continueing to play a huge role. I hate this.

Right now I dont want her to die though. What i want is for all that she has done to avoid that horrible after life she saw to have actually been propelling her towards it.

If she is trying to free the jailer, let there be some caveat that there must always be a jailer and she gets sucked into the position that happens to include that torment. Let it turn out that she was duped into taking the jailers place.

You mean like they did in Legion? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

She wont, why would someone who freed the jailer be made the jailer, thats just asking for trouble, its obiviously bolvar who would do it.

Ah I see you’re passionate about the catharsis that comes from Horde characters being punished after leading the Horde down an evil genocidal path. I’m sure Blizzard will provide this story again. They apparently love doing it and if it gets players impassioned they’ll love it even more!

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You got the order reversed, and skipped the most important line here at the end:

    High Overlord Saurfang yells: Soldiers of the Horde, the time has come!
    High Overlord Saurfang yells: Our enemies strike against the Undercity and seek to claim Lordaeron for their own.
    High Overlord Saurfang yells: The Undercity is no longer safe for civilians. The war rages above, and dozens of spies have infiltrated our walls.
    High Overlord Saurfang yells: We have herded the cowards to the Mage District and have secured the rest of the city.
    High Overlord Saurfang yells: Your mission is to flush these worms out of hiding, eliminate them, and ensure that our citizens are evacuated safely to Orgrimmar.


    Lady Sylvanas Windrunner yells: Has the city been evacuated?
    High Overlord Saurfang yells: Yes, Warchief.


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Bum, bum, bum. Another one bites the dust.

You didn’t quite get the memo yet, but it’s World of Sylvanascraft now and not WoW anymore. If you want WoW go play classic, if you want to play retail you will get a new Sylvanas cinematic every 2 years with the writers unhealthy obsession with her.

If not as a villain in 10.0, then as a hero. And you should really know that

After what they did in BfA. Utterly destroying 1 race just to show how great Sylvanas and the horde is and then completely ignoring them, a revenge patch without revenge etc.

Yeah says the person that can be bothered to listen to what ion said

What did Ion say?

Alot of things why dont you listen to it yourself, I am sure all the interviews and deep dives are on youtube now i am sure this whole fourm is done holding your hand and listening to you ill informed insane ramblings.

And what are you refering to? He didn’t say anything about night elves and the only night elf content we got on blizzcon was the info that all innocents that died are forever in the maw for eternal suffering. Great, makes it much better.

I mean you been told and linked, and you keep saying you so sure none of it is gonna happen, just saying, for your mental health I think its time you just move on from the game as a whole.

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I’m just realistic when in in 15 years of WoW nothing good happened to the night elves why should they give us the pleasure of freeing the souls from the maw or stuff like that. That would be completely unrealistic and you must be very naive to think that.