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The part in Before the Storm where the Goblins attack the Explorer’s League camp come after the events in game, where the SI7 is sent in to find out what the Goblins are up to and take them out.

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But distrust is not the measure by which we determine what wars are rightly/wrongly executed.

Distrust actually would be the measure, by modern standards (which obviously don’t exist in Warcraft). The crime is a War of Aggression or Conquest. The defense against that is justification of self-defense. But I do not think Sylvanas’ points were reasonable enough to merit the war as self-defense based on that distrust.

But the Horde feared the Alliance would strike first based on distrust. So when both sides distrust the other, it’s open game?

[Amadis-draka (Amadis)]

I don’t recall any SI:7 in Silithus in Before the Storm. In fact, the SI:7 were getting their information from the Cenarion Circle members that were down there.

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But the Horde feared the Alliance would strike first based on distrust. So when both sides distrust the other, it’s open game?

No. Same reason why Daelin was wrong back in Warcraft III is the same reason the War of the Thorns was wrong now.

[Tamanii-wyrmrest-accord (Tamanii)]

The champion is sent to Sillithus after Anduin’s speech. This occurs before the attack on the Explorer’s League camp. But no, they don’t mention any SI:7 in Silithus, to say nothing of what they might be doing there.

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But the Horde feared the Alliance would strike first based on distrust. So when both sides distrust the other, it’s open game?

No. Same reason why Daelin was wrong back in Warcraft III is the same reason the War of the Thorns was wrong now.

Which is the same reason why Genn was wrong for attacking in Legion.

Although Sylvanas and many Horde troops went on to commit many more atrocities as a result.

But a lot of stuff in WoW could be stopped if people wouldn’t preemptively attack on another based on vague suspicions.

[Amadis-draka (Amadis)]

The champion is sent to Sillithus after Anduin’s speech.

The champion is sent to Silithus a while after Anduin’s speech was over. It was presented as flashback, and the gathering of people had already cleared out when the Alliance player talks to Shaw.

Which is the same reason why Genn was wrong for attacking in Legion.

Although Sylvanas and many Horde troops went on to commit many more atrocities as a result.

But a lot of stuff in WoW could be stopped if people wouldn’t preemptively attack on another based on vague suspicions.

Agreed.

[Julia-icecrown (Julia)]

discredit her instead of just blindly attacking her.

This would have gone GREAT for everyone if it didn’t mean that Sylvanas would have successfully gained control of the Val’kyr. Sylvanas doesn’t putter around; she went for her goal. If Genn had waited, Eyir would have been in Sylvanas’ hands, and therefore, in Death’s hands. Bad for the Alliance, bad for the Horde.

No, she wouldn’t have succeeded, because the Horde champion would have helped him stop her without any kind of unilateral action.

They script the encounter so the Horde player opens the door for Sylvanas, a door she couldn’t get open herself. The cinematic fight between Sylvanas and Genn plays out. When its over Sylvanas tells the Horde Player to their face that she will continue to hunt Eyir afterward as well even if she has to attack the Halls of Valor itself.

The completion text for “A New Life for Undeath” the Horde Quest this involves.

It looks like we underestimated Greymane’s tenacity - a mistake that cost the Forsaken dearly.

This Eyir cannot hide for long, however. If I must I will hunt her through the Halls of Valor!

Go now, <class>. I will call upon you when you are needed.

This includes Horde Warriors who by this time have thrown their lot in with Odyn and Eyir with the Class Order Hall.

Horde players were not going to stop her and the warriors are actively throwing their class order hall under the bus for her.

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discredit her instead of just blindly attacking her.

This would have gone GREAT for everyone if it didn’t mean that Sylvanas would have successfully gained control of the Val’kyr. Sylvanas doesn’t putter around; she went for her goal. If Genn had waited, Eyir would have been in Sylvanas’ hands, and therefore, in Death’s hands. Bad for the Alliance, bad for the Horde.

No, she wouldn’t have succeeded, because the Horde champion would have helped him stop her without any kind of unilateral action.

They script the encounter so the Horde player opens the door for Sylvanas, a door she couldn’t get open herself. The cinematic fight between Sylvanas and Genn plays out. When its over Sylvanas tells the Horde Player to their face that she will continue to hunt Eyir afterward as well even if she has to attack the Halls of Valor itself.

The completion text for “A New Life for Undeath” the Horde Quest this involves.

It looks like we underestimated Greymane’s tenacity - a mistake that cost the Forsaken dearly.

This Eyir cannot hide for long, however. If I must I will hunt her through the Halls of Valor!

Go now, <class>. I will call upon you when you are needed.

This includes Horde Warriors who by this time have thrown their lot in with Odyn and Eyir with the Class Order Hall.

Horde players were not going to stop her and the warriors are actively throwing their class order hall under the bus for her.

If the story, plot, universe, and its characters bend to the will of a character it can be classified as a “Mary Sue”… which is exactly what Sylvanas is. A terribly annoying one at that.