How prevalent do you think usage of the “greed” option will be in Classic? Do you think need before greed etiquette from 1.12 and prior will carry forward? What do you think are the appropriate caveats and rules?
On retail, Need before greed seemed to die a slow death with the sharp increase of vendor prices and introduction of transmog. Even with the change making a “needed” item soulbound, before personal loot took over many pugs silently moved toward a “need or pass” mentality, especially as looting minor things when you had 1M gold in the bank often felt frivolous.
But Classic isn’t retail of course. We could make a different comparison to pservers, which I have little experience on, but did recently witness much of the same “need or pass” mentality in the <20 level range (which is the most I ever dabbled). And of course, pservers are not Classic either, but Classic is not and will not be Vanilla. Mentality can shift over the years, and the Classic playerbase will largely be players coming from live, from pservers, or from playing recent expansions.
So once Classic rolls out, how do you think the typical “need/greed/disenchant/pass” roll situation will play out? I personally have no idea, but think there may be a gap in what I’d want it to be and what it may be.
I think there is going to be a cultural battle relating to high value BOE items.
Old school players will argue that a person who can use it should need it, and private server players might argue that it’s too valuable to reserve and everyone should need it for greed.
My position on the topic isn’t relevant, but I think a slightly modified standard of loot rules will evolve due to the attrition.
I don’t really care either way, but it will be interesting to watch.
I’m an old school player, so I’m pretty firm on someone who really needs an item should get it. It’s important to establish those rules before going into a dungeon. In a highly social game, like Classic, communication is important.
Players should discuss loot rules with the party leader before they do the run. If you don’t like the loot rules the party leader is setting, don’t run with them.
Edit: My personal preference is greed on everything green, anything blue+ MS>OS, if you need ask to need, otherwise pass or greed as appropriate. IE, if no one can use a blue, everyone greeds.
Even in TBC, we had groups that had the policy that, if it’s a rare BoE epic, mount, pet, or toy, everyone needed on it just to ensure there were no chances for someone to ninja it.
If the item was an upgrade, you could work something out with whoever won the roll and that usually involved equipping it to force the soulbind and/or paying some small fraction of the AH value. Doing that meant that the group didn’t have to stop to wait for you to equip an item just to prove you weren’t a ninja.
This makes sense to me because prior to restricting what could be needed on, or making things soulbound when needed, need was simply safer for everyone. In those ad-hoc leveling groups or loose dungeon pugs that didn’t discuss everything up front, sometimes it pays off to roll slow until you get a feel for what others are doing
With the advent of platforms like Discord, I’m sure it’s going to be pretty easy to maintain some kind of third party blacklist without worry of being punished for “call outs”. All we need is a bored web dev and a decent way to fact check submissions.
Obviously, “need” is subjective in an online game, so make sure to explicitly list loot rules up front. IMO, use should trump sell value at launch, especially when most people are saving up for their epic mounts and less likely to have the gold to drop on BoEs.
I always roll need on the blue/purple BOEs. If I were to do it and everyone else actually greeded, I’d just have us /roll for it. Can’t think of a time that happened though, always have multiple people rolling need (that can’t use it).
To me it’s the same as a bag filled with cash. It’s worth the same thing to everyone, whatever it sells for on the AH.
Of course if someone wants to start a group and says otherwise at the beginning of the run? I’m fine with that too.
To you its a bag of cash, and how about if to someone else in the group its a huge armour or weapon upgrade that would really benefit their gearing and levelling. An item that dropped while they were killing mobs, in a dungeon or otherwise.
They have a right to it if they equip it.
Else everyone can greed for it.
If someone will use it, that trumps your selfish greed for money.
You need roll on an item you dont need to equip youll be labelled a ninja.
Greed roll is for that purpose. Need if you need it to equip.
I trust well see your name as one of thw first entries on the blacklist.
In Vanilla, everyone hit greed, unless their bags were full or they really didn’t want it. Anyone passing either knew someone would roll need, or didn’t care about the gold.
BOEs were handled as Greed Only, or All Need (depending on the group) and if they were using the Greed option, anyone rolling Need had to immediately equip it to show they weren’t stealing.
Need - Upgrade, pattern for my profession, or group agrees all need.
Greed - Anything else I might want or group agrees all greed.
Pass - Everything I don’t have a direct use for.
I’m sure different servers will work different ways, with each finding it’s norm. Alliance side Shattered Hand tended to be that you only needed if you were going to use it on that character, otherwise it was greed. The only thing I remember there being all need for was something like the Baron mount where they didn’t want someone to miss out because they didn’t know.
Generally speaking work it out before you start, it just works better that way.
If a world BOE epics drops while in a group
You should talk about it before hand.
As some OP stated all need is the safest.
Then whoever won ask anyone who truly needs said item. They will pay a fraction of price and equip it.
I would suggest carrying 100g just incase.
While that’s a lot but that boe could sell for 1.2k gold you get it at a discount. The play that won got something out of it and you got an item you needed.
That’s how I look at it. It was group effort. They should sell it if you truly need it at a fraction of price so you both win something.
Now a blue boe.
Need if you need but you have to equip it.
So did you ever have problems with people Greeding for stuff to vendor, against offspec rolls? Because for some classes, maintaining an offspec set is extremely important, like for warriors, who HAVE to maintain both a tanking and dps set, and be ready to switch sets as needed in raids. I would want it to be clear that if you plan to vendor it, PASS.
On my server in Vanilla, nobody used the Need/Greed system, ever. The rule in every run I ever did was EVERYONE PASS. And then we’d discuss and roll manually and the winner would loot the body. Everyone did that. Not sure if that was unusual for my server.