Need a tiny bit of guidance

Classes Demon Hunter
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So I am looking at sites such as icyveins, wowhead, and such to find out what I should probably gear towards as far as havoc traits. I never really did anything back in legion that involved havoc spec, but I have been here lately toying with the spec.

I see where they list the traits, some even with their own like dps chart between single target and hectic cleave. However, I am confused, but I am not sure which ones to take over another.

Does anyone have a link or post here on the forums that talks about this, that they do not mind to share?

If you are able to look at my character and gear do you have any suggestions? (I know my helm and my shoulders are more towards vengeance spec, that is because I havent had luck on getting az gear for havoc besides my chest piece.)

I am just starting to get things in motion since I am about to be able to have more time to play, especially with a new laptop on the way.

Just some gentle prodding to guide me right… Please don’t push me in front of a bus. Not that kind of prodding!

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Xaedys<Detoxed> has posted a lot of very helpful constructive and informative comments and replies in here in various threads on Traits etc. Others do as well :slight_smile:

I use Bloodmallet site for Azerite Traits and Trinkets to know what to spec into. As for single target vs cleave and which traits to select, Your chest traits are on the right track, Furious gaze, Eyes of Rage. The head and shoulders, look at traits that are possible on those items you currently have equipped, you may be able to reforge those to be able to select things like Revolving Blades or Thirsting Blades (or FG & EoR). and or look for them on future pieces you get.

Someone will correct me if I am wrong; the 355 crafted trinket Darkmoon: Fathoms is still a decent one to use even though its no longer listed on any sites. Not sure of the cost of it now though.

do your best to stack things like; Furious gaze, Eye of Rage, Revolving Blades, Thirsting Blades in the first two rings of the Azerite gear. There are others as well that can be better depending on the content you do most.

I highly recommend doing the Batttlegrounds too for the gear if you have the time, personally I do them until I get one win in the regular BG and one in Epic, then I stop for the day = 105 pts Conquest each day toward the cap. I do the event BG as well if I have time when its up. Do the Assaults in Warmode for the Conquest as well if you want or able to.

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Thank you!

Yeah I was going to say that the other two az gear I have are my tanking peices, no luck on a head and shoulders… even from world quest lol.

But I reckon I will give it my best to understanding bloodmallet and how it works.

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I found a post from Xaedys from Feb 4th related to your question on Traits: What azerite traits should i go for

Demon Hunter

Revolving Blades is our strongest AoE trait. Thirsting Blades is our strongest single-target. Furious Gaze is strong in both, and a good general option. Note that the first trait of Eyes of Rage, Revolving Blades, and Thirsting Blades are uncommonly strong in their relevant content due to their (non-stacking) secondary utility.

For M+, I generally aim for 1 Thirsting and the rest Revolving or Furious, with maybe an Eyes of Rage thrown in if it’s convenient. For raids, 3x Thirsting 3x Furious, with one of the Furious swapped for Revolving if there’s cleave. If I want a gear set that’ll handle anything I throw at it, 3x Furious, 1x Thirsting, 1x Revolving, and whatever I feel like for the last slot.

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Imma bookmark this, for future use!

Thank you!

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I’ve been told by one of the other DHs in my guild (who tends to be on the up-and-up about these things) that the CDR from Eyes of Rage stacks to 2 but not 3 traits. Haven’t confirmed it myself, but it might be worth having two of them.

Also, trait sims have evolved a bit since then. I would grade the BIS raid setup as 3x Furious, 1x Thirsting, 1x Chaotic, 1x Revolving, and the BIS M+ setup to be 1x Revolving, 1x Chaotic, 2x Furious, 2x Eyes of Rage (assuming it stacks to 2 as reported). Possibly trading one of those Furious for a Thirsting, if you want to focus a bit more on ST.

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Yeah, definitely will be giving all of this a looking into. Im finally in a spot in life to be able to start pushing actual raiding content and mythic plus’.

I appreciate all the help though. Just kind of getting tired of tanking, and wanting to deal some damage lol.

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Fel here,

So with a new computer, and more time on my side. I have started getting into some actual raiding starting with this week.

Now another question. As much as i love wowhead, it doesnt really give much insight into which traits are better. I have seen the bloodmallet site thrown around, but when i go to it, its a bit overwhelming and to someone who has never used it before… i sit and stare at my screen like… what?

is there something out there that explains to me how bloodmallet works? also, is there a site that helps you choose the best traits available for you, depending on what you have equipped?

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Bloodmallet:

Not sure there is a “something out there that explains how to use BloodMallet” but I will try :slight_smile:

The creators of the site may have a Discord thingy or Reddit post that explains this all better than me, I am just not aware of it.

note this is my understanding of how that site works, and how I use it. errors of ignorance on my part are not intended :slight_smile:

when you first load the site and select Havoc as the Demon Hunter spec, the following is selected in the Choices section on the site:

Also of note Bloodmallet is using the following TALENT selections as the BASE for all Demon Hunter Havoc DPS info: Talents: 1 3 1 0 2 2 1

There are two items on the TOP row of the Selections that you should be referencing: Trinkets and Azerite, the other two are meaningless (at least for me lol)

Once you select “Trinkets”, the row beneath is “Patchwerk”. the trinkets for Patchwerk (Single Target) are then listed in depending order which perform the best, each bar indicates the ilvl of the Trinket you may have (hover your mouse over the bar for that Trinket) 370; 385; 400; 410. Each with the DPS associated with that ilvl.

If you select “HecticAddCleave” believe that is AOE damage (and Trinkets remains selected) you will then see the same info as described above but instead of ST DPS its now based on AOE damage. (hover your mouse over the bar for that Trinket) 370; 385; 400; 410. Each with the DPS associated with that ilvl.

Note (for below) all the DPS is predicated on the Item lvl being 415 so if your Azerite pieces are 385 (390) the DPS you will see, will not apply to those 390 or 370 pieces to that great amount of DPS, but its still a good gauge for the Traits that will do the best.

Now for the Azerite Traits section, top row, click on Azerite, this will add a different selection row beneath the top row that was not there for Trinkets. Trait stacking; Itemlevel; Head; Shoulders; Chest.

Lets deal with Trait stacking at this point only for now. Select it.
the row beneath that is the Patchwork & HecticAddCleave row, for now select Patchwerk.

Beneath that row is the row with Tier 3 & 4 or Tier 2. Select Tier 3 & 4. You will now have the following sections (buttons) highlighted:
Azerite
Trait Stacking
Patchwork
Tier 3 & 4
(disregard Advanced Options)

*Selecting Tier 3 & 4 - This is for the Gear pieces and the two outer rings only (for those pieces with 4 rings + the final inner upgrade to ilvl.

What you see is the best Azerite Traits to stack in descending order from higher DPS to lowest DPS and the Bars for that Trait tell you how much DPS 1 trait will do, 2 Traits will do or 3 Traits will do for Patchwerk (Single Target)

that is not to say you should just be stacking 3 of those traits exclusively, as others have mentioned, a combination of different Traits is better that only going after one particular Trait exclusively

Now if you then click on Tier 2 that is the third ring in from the outside, traits like Overwhelming Power, Gutripper & Azerite Globules etc. they are displayed again in descending order highest to lowest DPS. Shows how much DPS 1 trait will do, 2 Traits will do or 3 Traits will do

All of the above was Azerite, Patchwerk Trait stacking.

You can now also change from patchwerk to HecticAddCleave for AOE, looking at Tiers 3 & 4, as well as Tier 2 traits to see which is the more effective traits to pursue for AOE focused builds.

For me that is the easiest way to use this site. I suggest stopping there, get comfortable with understanding what you are seeing with what I have described so far. There is more to the site, digest it after understanding Azerite Trait Stacking, Patchwerk or HecticAddCleave information. Once you do, the rest below will make more sense.

Back to the second Row beneath Trinkets & Azerite selections…
You can view by selecting Item Level (with Patchwerk / Tier 3 & 4) still selected, how much DPS a trait like Treacherous Covenant (others at less DPS are below) will do at different ilvl, 370; 385; 400, 415 et cetera by hovering your cursor over the bars for each Trait listed. Same thing for Tier 2 Traits.

Selecting HecticAddCleave gives similar info on AOE traits that perform best and the DPS per ilvl.

On that same row with Item Level you can also look at the Head; Shoulders; Chest . This lets you know what individual gear piece to try and farm or go after. I don’t refer to it much because I am not doing highest content stuff in game, but the info is there to be looked at :slight_smile:

For instance Aerite, Head, Patchwerk selected shows you the Highest DPS Head piece is IronTide Captain’s Hat hover your cursor over that gear item in the list, shows which traits are selected on the piece. The Bar then indicates the relative DPS based on ilvl: 370; 385; 400; 415.

There is NO Tier 3 & 4 or Tier 2 selections in here because those Traits are already preselected on the Gear piece.

Switch to HecticAddCleave for a similar list of gear focused on AOE Traits.

Repeat for shoulders and chest.

So yeah, thats my understanding of Bloodmallet and how I use it, I have to get back to real work now, sorry if I missed anything or just ran out of time and steam. Hope it helps your understanding of how to use the site better.

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Awesome, thank you for that. I kind of have a better understanding of it now. I also think that for me to understand it better, I will need to just play around with it some more.