Literally nobody said you need to be in pre raid bis
Nobody is doing it wrong if they didn’t no life heroics this week. Get out of here.
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Maths is a beautiful thing. It lets people work things out accurately without having to do it in person … You should try it.
You said show me your pre raid BiS 80. I can’t do that with maths, I guess you trying to sound smart in turn, makes you sound dumb.
You got me. I’m not interested in your gear.
The point is that you can kill the one gear check in the raid wearing Northrend greens.
I don’t need to give you logs, I can just work it out and prove it on a napkin (as can you).
Do you know any level 80 who isn’t in a coma that can’t pull 1800 dps?
You’re not going to kill that gear check with northrend greens.
If you want to do the math in a 25 man then lets do the math. It’s pretty basic and I’m not sure why you think it’s hard to calculate.
Depending on your raid comp for the 25 man raid the numbers will change slightly. But lets assume you’re going with 5 healers, 2 tanks, and 18 dps. If the healers and tanks are in greens and blues as you mentioned, gonna be a bit tricky to keep the tanks up since they will be WELL under the crit cap. But lets just pretend that they are not gonna get demolished.
With 20 total DPS - 18 dps + 2 tanks, and a 6 minute enrage timer, that means your raid will need to do 36219 DPS as a whole.
In greens and blues, meaning you wont be hit capped, you wont be def capped, you wont be expertise capped… I just dont see that happening.
That’s 1.81k dps, on a boss target and nobody is hit/expertise capped.
Tell me how you think that’s gonna work out.
In the last heroic I ran, and mind you these are not raid bosses.
I was 2nd in DPS with 1.8k as the tank.
Takuu warlock 2.1k
Me Pally tank - 1.8k
Pussinbootss - Rogue 1.5k
Pykkon Ret Pally - 1.2k
So yes. 2 dps right there who were in a good chunk of heroic gear under 1.8k And again, these guys were not hitting a raid boss.
EDIT: That is not a fair examination because of the mechanics of the fight. So I’ll use the previous boss
Takuu - Lock: 3.1k
Thirtysix - Pally Tank - 2.4k
Pykkon Ret Pally - 1.7k
Pussinbootss - Rogue 1.5k
Also another case in point… I don’t know any 80s who are in all greens and quest blues either. So far every person I’ve grouped with have had mostly heroic or level 80 gear on since it’s so easy to get.
And again, I’m not making the argument that you need to be BiS or close to BiS. I simply said it’s easy to get because most the gear for every single class comes from badges, rep, or it’s BoE.
You’re right, the maths isn’t hard and I never said it was.
Leaving out Tanks though is not a good way to do it. Tanks do non negligible damage in WoTLK.
I think we can leave it here though. Your point has been made. You just want everyone to know how good you think you are - point taken ;p
I didn’t leave out the tanks. I said 18 dps and 2 tanks… read much?
18 - does not include the tanks smarty.
what part of 18 dps AND 2 tanks don’t you get. AND 2 tanks. AND as in ADDING IN THE TWO TANKS
36,218 / 20 = 1,810.95. I’ve INCLUDED the tanks as part of the dps… Smarty.
You didn’t include tank damage in your metric - you seperated it out. But don’t let me get in the way of your narcissistic rant carry on… You were just saying how good you were at everything?
For somebody that said “lets do maths”, this is pretty comical. When you get off the short bus hit me up.
Here I’ll do it this way.
18 dps + 2 tanks = 20 people doing damage.
36,219 / 20 = 1810.95
That 20 is a representation of the 18 dps + the 2 tanks. Again 18+2 = 20. Are you getting it now?
And now that you’ve been made to look like a fool you run away never to be seen again on this post I’m sure lol.
Buddy, I’ve got no stake on either side of your argument, but…stop embarrassing yourself. This is literally what he said:
Yep I skimmed it. My bad. But honestly I don’t get the point he’s making. He’s telling me that dps needs to do about 1800 dps, well duh that’s what I already said. So, he’s giving me my own numbers back …
I don’t actually care about what he’s typing. His point that you need close to prebis is wrong.
What I don’t get is they are coming at me hard like I keep saying you need pre raid BiS. I’ve said MULTIPLE times in this threat you dont need pre raid BiS. I just said getting MOST of your pre raid bis gear is VERY easy and not time consuming so you SHOULD try and get it.
I’ve also said that you can do this raid in mostly level 80 gear with 0 issues so long as the tanks are def capped and the healers have decent enough gear not to OOM.
I really don’t get what’s so hard for some of these people to understand lol
Okay so you agree, you don’t need prebis? Cool.
The point I’m making is if you’re in green/quest gear the DPS is not going to be hit capped. The tanks are absolutly NOT going to be Def capped, and your healers are going to have trash MP5 and HPS not being able to keep up with the tanks getting obliterated by the bosses on a prolonged fight because the dps is not up to snuff.