What would it take to either break or restore your trust in the storytelling so that you feel emotionally engaged with it ? I keep feeling like I am throwing my hands in the air with every other story beat or sudden switch to the new thing of the month. I enjoy Retail game play, but I miss the story telling of expansions gone by.
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thats the thing about losing the trust. i no longer engage with the story because i think its just bad. i just skip everything i can and go into the content i want to play. its been bad for so long that even if they did finally write something good i wouldnt experience it.
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Restore the Horde as it was in Warcraft 3. Give Thrall the Doomhammer, his old job as Warchief of the Horde back (restore the Warchief position in general), bring back characters like Cairne Bloodhoof, Volâjin, etcetera⌠and also stop running it through guilt arcs for things that OOC writers such as Alex Afrasiabi/The Cosby Suite forced it to do. Give it a reason to actually exist in the setting that isnât feeling bad.
âWe came to this world as exiles and outcasts, but together we can be more. A weapon to break the chains of oppression. A bastion for the hunted and the lost. A family bound by blood and honor. And if our enemies do not give us peace, we will give them WAR! Victory or death! This I pledge as your warchief â until the end of days, I live and die for the Horde!â
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Big one would be caring about the horde like at all, and carign abotu the univere/settign adn what came before them AT ALL
and not wanting to turn evry culture/character into generic good guy 0persoanlity slop char/culture withr no definign traits
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They need to get more three dimensional again. And not just in the sense of âlight followers can be bad too,â we had that in a more nuanced and interesting way as far back as the Scarlet Crusade. Right now I donât totally hate the story beats, but I hate the way every faction is tilting towards a watered down, toothless version of itself so that everything is one note enough to have their checklist moment of screentime.
As a Horde player Iâm also just tired of my faction being absent from the story because of the obsession with paladins as the center of everything (and only traditional silver hand types, no room for prelates and sunwalkers). I donât really want to just turn the clock back to Thrall era (if anything Iâm ready to be done with him), Iâm fine with the Hordeâs story moving forward, but they need to actually have a story.
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we need a good wholesome race war agin
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BfA practically killed the Horde so I would say that is when my trust was broken.
I donât think my trust can currently be restored considering that they have this whole Horde humiliation ritual going on right now.
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Personally, I would need to have someone at blizzard face the camera and say âwe know we have botched the Horde. We are doing x, y, and z to fix it.â
I have suggestions about what x, y, and z would be, but Iâd be happy if they at least acknowledged the problem and did something
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I have as much trust as I ever had. There are really good moments, and there are cringeworthy moments.
Shadowlands was a weird departure. It felt very cosmic and robotic and the âdeathinessâ sort of faded in the background. But we time skip after it to Dragonflight and everything feels like Azeroth again.
Take The War Within - I thought the first patch was kind of lame. As much as I love Moira, and even Dagran had a great showcase joining the story as a fleshed out character, the rest was pretty lame. The Nerubians we encounter arent even the ones we waited all this time to have fun with in Northrend.
Then Undermine came out, and it was arguably among the best moments that mixed story telling with gameplay since WotLK.
And the Arathi Highlands quest was awesome. I loved how it brought more relevance to the AU Maghar as well as Hammerfall. It was a great expression of whatâs going on in the home front. And the fact the Right Wingers seemed to take it as a personal insult was icing on the cake.
So, yeah, I think Blizz is still capable of great moments. But there are too many lame moments in between.
I love this, but is it even possible at this point without a hard reboot?
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Coming to terms with current Blizz writers just being a different breed. The intersection of metal heads and comic fans that produced a WC3 feel are just gone in favor of theater kids and Critters. Even if they wanted to recreate the vibe that hooked me into this IP, I donât think they know how.
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Likely not.
I would love to see the old Horde come back. I swapped to Alliance because of what the writers did to the Horde in BFA. That was god awful. I believe the Horde can be salvaged, but it would take a LOT of work.
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What do you mean, an even more nonsensical villain-bat than the last one that permanently destroyed the Hordeâs entire point to be a faction, permanently destroyed the point of all characters for not just saying No to Sylvanas when she ordered the War of Thorns and did all the war crimes, and so on, is the entire reason people play the Horde! I love going to war with my own faction! I love my faction being destroyed beyond repair to the point the Horde being heroes on their own without being the Allianceâs sidekicks is a ridiculous concept! /s.
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They earned some trust back by not making calia queen, though i wish were were never saddled with her to begin with.
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Not for lack of trying, to be fair.
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I think saying Iâve lost trust is a bit melodramatic, but I just want them to stick to a plan and execute it. Itâs clear even within this one single expansion, we went from Beledar being a Naaru Light missile to just an Azerite crystal (that somehow got lodged upside down in the cave ceiling, and is somehow covered in Naaru runes, and somehow Light and Void). There is literally nothing in the world that will convince me it was an Azerite crystal in plans written 2 years ago, no amount of evidence would convince me, logic or science be danged.
Stop dropping or changing stories, pick something and have the nerve to see it through, even if it sucks in the end. Swing the bat, for godâs sake! No more balls. I just want commitment.
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Retcon everything post Warcraft 3. Recreate WoW either as a new MMO or as a 4th RTS, and actually do it well.
-Humanity having an identity crisis between a Faustian Civilization that takes an aggressive stance against the undead - and those who warn against following in the footsteps of Arthas, preaching restraint.
-Night Elves being this Matriarchal, Pagan theocracy of the feminine. Turning the âNoble Savageâ trope on itâs head with aristocratic beauty paired with the flippant violence of nature and Pagan martial morality. Preaching against the practice of magic that isnât divine in nature, and the misfit of the Alliance races, making their participation with the Alliance as something they were reluctantly forced into.
- Give the Dwarves and Gnomes some love, for the love of God. They are worthy of their own story and shouldnât be reserved to supporting roles and comic relief.
-Orcs. I think, were done well in Classic. I think if anything, their situation could be better outlines. Thrall having very little control over what happens within the Horde. Slavery, Cults and border skirmishes that happen against his orders. His human upbringing and education ill-suiting him for the role he now finds himself in. In addition to Orgrimâs glorification of Orc history contrasting with Thrallâs message of repentance, and how that impacts his image among the various clans he seeks to rule.
-Trolls⌠I mean⌠Does EVERY Troll city have to be a Dungeon or raid? I am not a big Troll fan in general, but it does seem a bit cruel.
-Tauren⌠F in the chat for the Moo bois. I think WoW made them too passive compared to their Warcraft 3 presentation. They are a Warrior culture constantly fighting for their survival. Violence may not be in their nature, but they were hosted in an environment that made peace unattainable.
-Undead I think are done well, if not cartoonishly evil pre-Cata. I think, like the Night Elves, are the Misfits of the Horde and have no real loyalty to it, aside from the fact that they would be isolated without it. The Scarlet Crusade shouldnât have itâs origins in Demonic possession, but just humans who take an aggressive stance against all forms of Undead and the reclamation of Lordaeron. The Scarlet Crusade should have Alliance backing and perhaps even the main Alliance faction for pvp in Northern EK.
I could go on and on and on, but Iâll leave it at the Classic playable races for now.
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Theyâve broken trust with me hard, but if they committed to writing the Horde well, with no takebacksies or snide comments (Alliance always gets to be snide and correct to the Horde every expansion. The reverse is literally never true.), building up and maining the Horde cast (no more endless Alliance-only plotlines, no 50% alliance, 40% expansion villain, 5% neutral cast, and 5% Horde).
What theyâre doing in Midnight is exactly what I donât want them to do. Stealing belves story to give it to the Alliance was something I called the very moment Void Elves were announced, and here we are. Giving a Horde city to the Alliance. Void Elves star in Eversong alongside blood elves, while glory hogging the endgame void zone. Blood elves are nefarious racist villains to the Amani until pure good Alliance Arator teaches them to⌠get⌠along⌠with⌠trolls???
And again, by Blizzardâs own testimony, there is only one single Horde character that is a key character. Every other one is Alliance, or Xalatath.
And our âââneutralâââ delve companion?
House Wrynnâs spy. But donât worry guys. If she says she isnât house Wrynnâs spy, it overwrites all the times she was. Words mean more than actions!!
Night Elves get to set terms and dictate the Sunwell. Void Elves and Night Elves take part ownership, literally turning it into an Elune worshiping Nightwell at night, empowering the Alliance while disempowering the blood elves (they must render it powerless or Night Elves will refuse to help and Blood Elves canât fix their own well like Night Elves could fix their own world seed.)
Jesus wept.
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Remember how they said they didnât want Horde players to lose anything or feel like they were and then they just.. lost the Sunwell?
âIâm not loyal to England, Iâm just loyal to the House of Windsor.â
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