Recently started setting up addons and such and did some PvP, but to my horror I noticed that friendly/enemy nameplates will not render out past 20-30 yards, far less even than most of my abilities.
On retail the distance at which you can see plates lets you look at different encounters going on in say AV or WSG or out in the open and immediately get a sense of whats going on.
You see say 5 guys fighting 80 yards out, 3 friends mostly low and 2 enemies high hp, you know exactly who needs healing the most whose on who, who is running away who has CC on them like say a full fear duration. and you can immediately come into that fight knowing whats the best course of action.
In classic there might be ~5 ppl fighting 40 yards from you, if the friendlies aren’t in your raid/party you have to click on their characters moving and see what their HP is, and even if they are in your party its still kinda a pain to reference the unit frames then look and see whose who even with range indicators. You cant tell who is CC’d who has what debuffs or… unless you are hugging them pretty much.
I know this is how it was in classic, it’s just something that bothers me a lot being used to having all that information on retail and is really making me think twice about playing a healer.
It’s also come to my attention that people are using hacks to bypass this gaining a pretty huge advantage over other players.
Yeah people are very used to that, that is one of the reasons why people don’t want to play healers in retail bgs anymore.
People using targeting addons, auto kick addons, and making it hard to hide form people.
I personally think people shouldn’t be capable of gathering information on people unless they are within 10 yards or using some sort of sight ability like mind vision spy glass etc.
Well I personally see addons in pvp as cheats but others don’t because they like using them.
I mean why wouldn’t addons that light of healers from a far distance not be cheating in pvp games its not a function that comes with the game itself.
Wouldn’t surprise me if people were using hacks to gain huge advantages
I remember before someone had an addon that told you about the enemy in bgs that were too far away in one of my matches.
Well dude I don’t remember but I believe in any raid group you may be able to pull out their raid frame and put it anywhere in the raid group area so you can see if they are low or not. It looked like a small square it may of been only tbc but I think it was actually in classic people had things like decurse.
Hacks are one thing, and if true, people get banned for them. They’re not a big deal.
Console commands and addons and the like were at one point able to change the distance (and it’s most likely that that is what you saw happening), but that has been fixed.
All you really need is nameplates that show class by color. Even if they don’t have that more people now know to kill/cc the healers instead of letting them free cast. Also healers spell animations give them away.
The kick bots are ridiculous though. Hopefully blizz makes a pass with Warden on those logs soon. Maybe they haven’t yet because if they ban everyone using it they will lose more subs. Lol.
It’s a memory edit, popular on private servers it seems. Blizz could easily detect it tho like any memory hacks.
It’s almost impossible to die as a healer on retail if 1 or 2 people are on you, you really need 4-5 dps assisting to see anything die in my expierence in RBGS in BFA. Classic is obviously another beast with how out of hand CC can get and because gear actually does matter in PvP.
The kick bot thing is blown out of proportion by the playerbase, any decent arena player is going to have /kick arena 1 /kick arena 2 /kick arena 3 macros, on lock you have 9? It’s a big step up from using /kick focus. People that are high rating will see anyone casting anything longer than 2 seconds in range and easily just smash a key to stop it.
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This is on purpose for authenticity. I don’t really like it either, but it’s part of classic.
I thought the kick bot thing was being blown out of proportion too. Until I seen it more. Yes you’re right there are players who are very fast at it. Especially in arenas with those macros you listed.
However there’s interupts that go off instantly. As soon as the spell starts. I don’t think those are macros or just player reaction. That seems automated.
I’ve always harrassed healers in pvp. Whether it’s cc’ing them, interupting them, rooting, slowing, or flat out attacking them.
Bg’s for example. You see healers free casting while dps is beating on a dps who’s health is not moving. I have a hard time believing a player is sitting there actively attacking a target that is not dying. (Or they are and then cry for nerfs because x class is OP.) Repeatedly too. Only to die and run right back and do the same thing.
Honestly. I think the subs are in such a state that blizz doesn’t want to open that can. That ban wave that hit those recently for modding files or whatever was lifted and turned into a warning. How many was that?
ye i get it I tried healing some more I just cant do it, it’s too hard to keep track of people.
Im healing a war fighting a mage, then i see in my raid frames a dying hunter i know is close but just out of range. Takes me 4 secs to find him without being able to weigh if thats even worth it to peel and the war dies the hunter dies… it’s just a clusterf*ck if i had nameplates id be able to see that hunter was getting trained by 3 ppl and even bothering to stop healing the war for even 1 sec wasn’t worth it. It’s just too frustrating more power to people who can pull it off, youd have to be keeping constant mental notes of where every single person is all the time and their names on frames and positions… in av where theres 40 oof.
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I mentioned the seemingly very short nameplate draw distance in the beta AV feedback too. I understand it was this way back in vanilla, but to me, it’s akin to maxing out your view camera distance from your character. It would be nice if nameplates would show up as far out as your abilities can be cast (not counting eagle eye and the like) or have the ability to scale it up or down like the camera zoom.
As a healer at least you can use customizable party/raid addons like grid to show raid health and debuffs and would even light up if within range. As a ranged DPS you are literally trying to alt-tab or click on different enemies to try and find a priority target which can be difficult when 41 yards away.
Everyone has to deal with these issues, so in that way it is fair at least, but I’d rather have more information then less.
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