For years wow added new dungeons end game for gear catch up now we get the same dungeons over and over again and these gears are better then hc raids and most pvp gear also super easy to get which makes most players dont pvp to get gear they just spam mythic + also you dont need to raid, you just do 5m content mythic + and get gears. Mythic + makes wow feels less like wow
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pvp vendors are coming back in SL.
you need to deal with the fact that M+ awarding gear cant make raiding bad. ask yourself why are the top guilds done pushing raid but the top M+ers are still going ham with zero possibility of getting gear upgrades…
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they took this garbo idea from d3 the biggest failure of an arpg.
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I made a similar thread recently.
I agree for the most part, but I still like the ever increasing difficulty of M+. It just feels strange being rewarded raid-level loot for doing harder and harder dungeons within a time limit, and that time limit also encourages fast-paced gameplay that WoW usually doesn’t display. It feels like a concept from a different game.
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WoW needs M+ or else we go back to the dilemma of people being done with dungeons 2 weeks after they’re introduced
Also M15s are harder than Heroic raids. I have 186 Heroic N’Zoth kills and my group of 18 can carry 9 dead DPS. That 15 is a lot harder with only 1 active DPS.
PVPers can get 465s/475s same as M+ spammers. But only mythic raiders can get 485s.
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Mythic+ is simply a difficulty system for dungeons that have always been there!
I think you should stop playing, delete your characters and account and go play a non-WoW game.
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Actually, before M+, majority of the time the dungeons would become pretty redundant after you started raiding. And thats the very first tier of an expansion.
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If it’s super easy then why not post on your main? Where is that io in the super easy content?
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Mythic plus isn’t so bad, it allows players who play at all level difficulties to be able to continuously challenge themselves within the dungeons. It keeps that part of the game alive for longer which is cool. Most of my end game was heroic dungeons during the majority of the expansions anyways. Maybe some raiding but nothing too much because it took a little bit longer to do that and requires a small amount of planning. Mythic you can hop into a bit quicker without losing the challenge or the reward.
Mini raids 
The only negative I’ve experienced is that people want to rush through absolutely everything more so than before even. It creates some stress that would be otherwise avoidable in some situations.
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Blood elves were in game for 13 out of 15 years and people still don’t think they’re horde
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Tbh this isn’t going to account for anything with no distinction between PvP and PvE gear unpess PvP gear is significantly better than it is in the game today.
Did challenge mode reward gear?
This is just a question, I’m not being clever or anything.
PVEers shouldn’t have to play the mini game to get mini game BiS gear. M+/Raid gear should always be better than mini game gear
I don’t remember in MoP but there was a weekly quest that rewarded good gear for doing CMs in WoD
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Thanks! 
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The only thing i personally dislike about M+ is that you can get unlimited gear from it - while before it was limited to once a week per boss at a chance at heroic level gear in raids, you now have an unlimited source of gear.
Not sure how they could do it in a decent way - but i do wish they could limit the amount of heroic level gear you can get per week from M+
Edit: I do know they are making M+ drop only once piece of gear at the end instead of 3 in Shadowlands, and im for that change.
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PvP isn’t a mini game, it’s just different content.
Being good at PvE doesn’t imply being good at PvP, just like being good at running doesn’t mean you are good at hurdles.
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Considering you guys don’t even really get new BGs, or arena maps, it pretty much looks like one of the lowest effort, side gamey, things Blizz has introduced
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Ya doing dungeons which we have been for 15 years makes WoW not feel like WoW…
Most gear in Mythic Dungeons aside from the odd piece, isnt better than most raid gear at all.
I mean because everyone farms mythic plus for razor coral and font of power…
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New bgs dilute the matching pool. Also new arena maps have still been getting introduced, we got new ones in BfA and we are also getting new ones in SL.
Not saying it isn’t very low effort from Blizzard. But it is its own thing.
PvP actually saw a lot of changes in BfA just unfortunately they weren’t any good lol.
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