Mythic Plus Nerf DH Tanks

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Raiderio:

Last Few Meta Tanks per season:

Legion Season 7.2: Uh not sure, seems all over the place
Legion Season 7.2.5: Uh not sure, seems all over the place
Legion Season 7.3: Uh not sure, seems all over the place
Legion Season 7.3.2: Blood dk

BFA Season 1: Blood DK
BFA Season 2: Prot Warrior
BFA Season 3: Brewmaster
BFA Season 4:Prot Warrior

Shadowlands Season 1:Vengeance Demon Hunter
Shadowlands Season 2:GUARDIAN
Shadowlands Season 3:Blood DK
Shadowlands Season 4: Blood DK

Dragonflight Season 1: Prot Pally
Dragonflight Season 2: Guardian Druid
Dragonflight Season 3: Vengeance Demon Hunter
Dragonflight Season 4: Vengeance Demon Hunter

War Within season 1: Prot Pally
War Within Season 2:Vengeance Demon Hunter
War Within Season 3 PRT:Vengeance Demon Hunter

5 Meta Seasons for DH
4 Meta Seasons for Blood DK
2 Meta Seasons for Prot pally
2 Meta Season Prot Warrior
2 Meta Season for Guardian Druid
1 Meta Season Brewmaster

Basically DH tank needs a nerf.

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I’m always in favor of Demon Hunter nerfs, regardless of context :smiley:

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Btw this coincides with them adding more and more stops needed for dungeons so DH has too many things in its toolkit.

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So far in S3 tuning they’ve nerfed every tank except for BrM (which got some deserved buffs) and left VDH untouched. I’d be happy if they just stopped nerfing every other tank.

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Or why dont we buff BM, Guardian, and Prot warrior?

Also is this factoring in how far off the other specs were? There will always be a best spec and in a competitive environment people will always choose the best option. But if second best is only off by a small percentage why nerf?

Buff under-performers, only nerf when it is a genuine problem.

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To the ground!!! :upside_down_face:

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Source for this one?

FAIRLY sure WCL says Guardian Druid because of their legendary that made em super tanky. Honorable mention to Brew/VDH could still kite meta.

Sauce:

At: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/25?region=2&class=Tanks&timespan=1000

Rest are correct

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Vengeance got a lot of nerfs this season. Give it a rest.

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Let me update that one, thank you

Far as DH…

Not enough nerfs and its affecting the meta favoring magic damage.

The mystic touch buff is just a nerf for all pure melee because now we tuned around a staggering 8 percent physical damage.

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VDH is a problem it

  1. Self heal better than a BDK
  2. More tankier than port warrior
  3. Have not CC and interrupt and contorl oner mobs than port pally
  4. Have better mobile than a Brew.
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What is the meta tank this season? What is looking like it will be the meta tank next season? That’s right, VDH.

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Will this also heal the holes in the wall as well?

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VDH might be meta, but it’s also a noob magnet. I’ve seen a lot of dhs who thought they were invincible until they weren’t.

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Seeing as i play both demon hunter and warrior tank, those first two points are sus to me.

When my warrior was Felsaviors item levem she was soloing tier 11 with brann as dps and barely being touched.

Felsavior can barely handle t8…

Seems exaggerated to say our healing out does bdks or that we can take hits better than warriors.

I stand by: buff the under performers.

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Doesn’t matter, it shapes the entire landscape for running keys.

They are doing a poor job of balancing.

They don’t need total homogenization but when one tank is the best at everything, there is a huge problem.

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Nah. If anything VDH needs a raid buff. All that utility does nothing in raid. VDH lags behind 10% to 15% in the new raid according to logs.

It’s an encounter and dungeon design issue you’re complaining about. Don’t make 800 casters and all of a sudden grip and beam aren’t useful. Also beam and grips don’t work on lieutenant mobs.

And VDH had 60 second silence for many seasons and it wasn’t OP because you didn’t have 700 casters every pack. And grip wasn’t as useful.

But ultimately the answer is to give roles a better niche. Protection Warrior has disrupting shout, let it also add silence and give them a roar lust and skull banner back.

The answer is more tools not less.

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That may be true, but it’s only because it’s clearly the most powerful and easy to play tank overall. It’s just not that much fun to have one tank that’s clearly the best choice for several seasons in a row (with a short detour for TWW S1 pally).

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Wrong they VDh CNA stay alive far longer than any other tanks since they can self heal better and more tankier.

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I know they like to balance around RAID only, but dungeon/key running is what extends the life of a patch cycle. Not raiding.

Do I want DH totally gutted?

No.

But they need some things reigned in unless they going to compensate all the other tank specs in a meaningful way.

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It’s honestly why I’m not even bothering with m+ anymore. Tired of having to reroll meta or be punished by not getting invites.

It’s different if the specs are rotating in and out of meta fairly, but when something lasts years or multiple xpacs in the meta it just makes it feel forced.

Like mage, priest, and DH always have a spec that is meta while other specs have never once been meta since m+ was implemented. Just easier to not play the mode than it is to worry about what blizz is going to force me to play