Mythic dungeons = hard. Even M0’s feel too hard for your more average player.
Delves = easy, can be done solo, less stress, good loot
Comparing the two in the “time vs reward” :
Mythics = have to wait for people to sign up, or hope you get invited. Hope nobody quits. You can bang you head against them, only to get absolutely nothing at the end of the a Mythic+
Delves = Can do solo, easily pick whatever level you want to do, whatever bountiful you want to do, if it’s too hard you can usually tell early on, walk out and lower tier and go again or if it’s too easy you know to push higher. You get 100% chance of a piece of loot from a bountiful with a key. You can get Heroic loot from a map + get a high ilvl in vault from an 8 which is easier then a +2
Ultimately they learned nothing from season 1
If you wonder why you can’t fill M+ groups, why there’s a lack of tanks and easiers - we’re in Delves, sorry, not in the mood to deal with the mess of Mythic dungeons until they get nerfed and only then for KSM.
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I think we just need to have the difficult conversation that the average player just isn’t good at the game and puts up a fight every time there’s anything that provides a remote challenge.
M0s are fine. It’s the first week, we don’t know the pulls, what the thrash does. We’re learning. We’re not meant to faceroll everything all the time.
Put in the time and the effort, find a guild, and people can succeed. The problem is, most people just don’t want to put in any effort.
We’re in this season until at most September 16th. Plenty of time to learn everything.
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I think you missed the point.
Why would people put in the time and effort etc on something that’s harder, takes longer, and only has a “chance” to give you a piece of gear?
ALSO we always know Mythic dungeons get nerfed, so why care to do them when they are harder?
Delves = the easier path, that kills any/all motivation to do the M+ path
So we’ll see lots of posts about people unable to fill groups, this is why.
I have geared healers and geared tanks, but I wont be joining the M+ for a while.
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Cant get gilded for an early weapon craft just by praying.
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The difficulty in both modes is too far apart. You can get the same item level or upgrade track gear in a +8 delve that you can from m0-+5. This has an impact on mythic plus as fewer people will queue up and use it to gear, especially as the season goes on, it’ll be harder to fill those key levels. Same thing as last season.
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To be fair, you can get gilded from tier 11’s now. Might be a bit slower, still going to be easier by far
If anyone of you remember that ronaldo payphone meme with the halondrus boss
It’s basically that, 2 is leagues more difficult than an 11 delve lol
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Exactly but that’s what I mean. They learned nothing from season 1 and repeated the same mistakes
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Yeah, I agree with you. It is a poorly designed and tuned system. If you can get the same/similar rewards, then it stands to reason the difficulties would be similar too. So either one gets buffed (which we know what would happen if they made delves harder now) or they nerf entry level keys.
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It’s not a mistake. It’s solo players getting actual, honest to goodness, rewarding content.
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Because it’s fun, feels like I’m learning to try harder levels and maybe getting gear. If I don’t I still get something from the vault!
The gear difference is still large but in a way, gear will support players to try the next harder step of mythics if they like to. And at least solo players have a better way of progression themselves if they don’t want to try mythics.
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I’m fine with that. But the balance issue in 1 over the other. Solo is so much better in every way it makes it be like “why care to group up and do M+ dungeons?”
In an MM0 that’s supposed to be a social game with other players, there’s no enjoyment playing with others right now. Only stress and frustration
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Delves progression path is way slower than M+ though, you can just spam M+ over and over for specific items and specific crests. With delves you have a limited number of keys at the end of the day, maps are capped and while 11s do offer gilded now that is also capped.
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Fair, but if your play time is limited anyway, for example as much as I do stuff I never find myself lacking something to do - even with caps. Not everyone no life spam content all day long
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It lets the pug players drop out of that mostly toxic wasteland and progress on their own. It’s the only reason I’m still subbed honestly.
In the pug world, yes. It’s terrible. The social aspect of the game is still there. You actually have to put in effort to seek it out. Nothing has been taken away.
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It’s not only a “chance” at better gear.
You do have the chance when you run the dungeon, but remember the quickly you push M0s and go into M+ you will get better quality ilvl gear from your vault along with crests from the dungeon to again craft better gear.
Delves cap out a lot lower and they were created to be easier and something for the more casual players who don’t want to do group dungeons. You can have up to a couple friends if you feel like it, but they aren’t great to compare the two. Delves aren’t meant to be the end game loot.
You’re also complaining in week 1 of the season. Plenty of people pointed out there will be tuning, people are learning, and it takes a bit of time to level out.
If you don’t like a challenge and want to wait, that is completely ok! Not everyone is the same and people have different levels of skill and enjoyment.
Because you enjoy M+ dungeons. If you don’t, Delves offer content for someone to repeat all season to get gear and feel like they are “progressing”. People who like doing M+ will do M+, regardless of Delves being available to them. Yes, they might do Delves in the first week or two to get “easy” heroic gear, but they will invariably move on to doing M+ to get even better gear.
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Ehh. Depends. Going in and DPSing a key is easy if the group knows what to do. Going into a high delve solo means you still have to pay attention to not get deleted by caster mobs.
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There’s a reason the rewards for Delves will never be as good or as abundant as the rewards for M+.
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Doing 11 delves on my 605 ilev alt and they give champ/hero gear omg this is so dumb 
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