Declines are a bigger issue than leavers. Maybe I don’t know. I do know that getting declined at a rate of about 80 per session is really tough. I personally don’t even think it’s a community problem. It’s that class balance is so terrible people just gravitate to what they are told is popular even at +2. I was fortunate to hit 3k so I can just hop into any +10 I want with no issue but I do like the idea of progression or even working on another class. I have characters at just about any range from +2 and up. The frustration is always there. Even as a tank or healer.
What’s the solution? Well besides proper balancing ( I do recognize the challenge that has) there should be some kind of protection from so many declines. My initial thoughts were a leader can only decline say 15 people before they are put on a cooldown period for listing their key. But would that solve anything? Maybe. If it was 2 hours or something painful like that. Maybe not if there is a work around. Which there would be with others just posting the key and leaving the group to let someone else post the key to fill the last spot.
Ultimately my thoughts are this. The m+ community gets smaller and smaller as the keys get harder and harder. I personally think with the rate of declines that the community is forced to be smaller due to most people not interested In dealing with that frustration. Help your own community out maybe by jumping to lower keys as a tank or healer to help boost participation at the higher keys.
Sitting on my 658 Boomie with a semi-decent track record, being denied to +7’s. It’s getting real old “proving myself” in a bunch of runs where I’m 1st damage by a long shot.
Something’s gotta give in the party system. As it stands currently it works against non-meta and non-overgeared. Only reason folks like my partner get invited on an over-geared Feral Druid is because folks like me play main-spec healer.
It’s an us problem and we aren’t going to solve it. Blizzard has to.
Don’t take it personally, if you were declined, it was because there were other applicants that were higher item level/score or perhaps a class they wanted for some reason, it’s pretty much never personal.
Ok, everyone with the literacy skills to read this sentence can agree your idea is terrible, but let’s think just one step ahead.
If I can only decline 15 people then I’ll just stop declining and let your 5 minute application window time out. Grats, I’ve accomplished the same thing on my end while you now also need to cancel your applications that got no response if you want to queue for more groups.
the reason so many people are being declined is because there are 30 dps applying for 3 spots in every key. that’s it. nothing to do with meta, or gatekeeping, or whatever other nonsense people are blaming.
this is exactly whats happening to me as well. but in 2s. 643 arcane and maybe about 25% of the groups i apply to i get in, ok i realize im not as high as others at this point picking up a new class… but every run there are dps with higher ilvl and every run i top the damage lolol.
but ultimately its just because of the moment in time…we are in the dying embers of the patch and the m+ population is probably running at 10% capacity vs the start of the patch so its going to be ultra competative just to get in. I think what saves me most of the time is they have the raiderio addon and see my main is 3k so they have faith lol
Declines in low keys is a community problem, declines in higher keys is a Blizzard problem.
I have no idea what possesses people to be picky when listing their +7 key or even their +10 key, but these have been inconsequential key levels since week 2. I have a mostly good experience pugging; it is definitely nigh impossible to enter groups sometimes as a DPS and it’s just silly that people are seemingly waiting on random max-ilvl guy to show up.
True true. I just can’t help feeling like we’re applying for a job and being denied for not having “experience”.
My healer gets in stupid fast to nearly everything. Heck, even 2.5k+ folks will pick me up instantly over 2k-ish folks. Something in my track record must be great even though I don’t log myself.
Definitely sucks trying to re-gear this late in the game. Sucks a little too much honestly. Blizz should give the system a second look through even if that means all DPS are sitting in a queue of sorts for 20+ minutes.
It’s just some crappy game mode. Shouldn’t have a job application process.
read my post… i dont expect them to know that. im not complaining about this. offering reasoning to the gentleman
100% false. if i had 10 times the amount of keys running there is much greater chance i will not be made to wait as long. iregardless if the role %s do not change. more players means more key groups. its dead rn
I’m definitely complaining. This is dumb. Giving this much power to the players is dumb. You’re already embracing RNG by playing random M+. Reducing that RNG is called “a static group.”
yeah but they dont know you. or your ability. thats why its a crap shoot. but im confident that some use the io addon and can see things bc sometimes i get into groups i should not be able to lol
you’re assuming that most of those players will be listing their own keys. obviously that’s not true, or you’d understand why group leaders have to decline dps (even qualified dps!)
great! so you understand that the problem is too many dps applicants, not people being too picky.
