if you complete a 10 with 19 deaths, you do not deserve an 11. And with or without affix, you don’t get an 11. (in most cases.)
Yea, if my entire party disconnects, the key should auto complete itself, and I should get a +3 because of factors beyond my control.
you might be right if you didnt have to run back to where you were after a wipe…terrible design is terrible whether its challengers peril or the antiquated design of running back.
I’m not entirely sure I understand what your comment has to do with mine? Or are you just trying to make some quip about “Mythic + Culture?”
Yeah, because my post definitely insinuated that everyone dc’ing deserves a special prize… That was sarcasm, by the way, since you don’t seem to really understand anything else I’ve said.
Seems to me that finishing a run with 4 people when someone disconnects midway through is a damn good measure of skill though, regardless of if you’re 10 min off the timer or not. Should you plus the key if you fail time? No. Should you lose 15 sec because that guy died when he went offline as opposed to the 5 sec it’s always been? Also no.
For the record though, I don’t think anyone here asked or cares what you think we “deserve”.
But this is what it is. people what to structure reward systems so they get what they deserve.
Instead of the game not letting you pass at 19 deaths (due to not timed) they want it nerfed enough so that they pass with 19 deaths.
The extra time is just a dumb compromise to throw whiners a bone, but they fundamentally disagree with the philosophy that deaths should be punished.
IMO, without the affix a single brez’d death is not punished enough, but with the affix a wipe is too punishing.
Here’s a couple alternatives:
Removing a time penalty that has never existed in the past isn’t nerfing the content. You still have both tyrannical AND fortified to contend with. Personally, I’d rather see an affix that blocks you from using battle rezzes than this Champion’s Peril nonsense.
This affix took the place of a real affix for similar difficulty.
In every sense of the word, if the key isnt timed, you didnt do it.
Beyond the consolation prize of one item:
You didnt get points.
You didnt get a portal or achievement (if its a 10)
You didnt get a better key
Sometimes you dont even get a different key.
The only way you even know you did the 10 was the consolation prize and a mark that literally tells you that you didnt time it on RIO. At the level of the 10, sometimes the item doesn’t even matter because you dont need it causing it to get vendored/de’d.
So no. It isnt ridiculous at all. Its designed that way.
This is literally player control. It doesnt matter whether that player was you or not, that is quite literally the purest definition of skill issue.
You can cry all you want to about this, but as said before there comes a time in keys where rhe ONLY thing you get out of it is IO. If you arent getting the IO anymore, there is zero reason, for anyone, to be in the key.
Little billy wanting his first-second myth track gear is just going to have to get over that not everyone is going to want to waste upwards of 45+ minutes (if the deaths are numerous) for a chance that little billy not only gets something but its something they need, especially when everyone else gets absolutely nothing and ESPECIALLY if its the fault of little billy. “Respect my time” and all of that. It goes for everyone. Not just you.
Its what blizzard wants it to be. Literally and figuratively. They made the system this way. You trying to alternative reality your way into something that it isnt doesnt work. You complaining about how it is the way it is also isnt going to work.
More of this bs overgeneralizing.
If you are struggling, at all, with a key level to the point you arent timing it:
pick better people
get better personally
do lower keys until you +2 or +3 them
Stop expecting it to be handed to you or expecting the system be dumbed down to your level.
The first sensible thing you’ve said. I like this.
I hope this game never devolves into ressing at the exact point you died in instantly.
This is an mmo. Not a mobile game.