How can we not by this time in the games life span do proper balancing. I was running +15 with my gear before no issues, yet now I cant even run a +2… When you introduce a new season can you please balance the actual season it should be such a high curve on gear.
There should be no reason I should feel like my last seasons gear is unimportant and insignificant.
No kidding you can’t run a 2………
You need a group for this content.
Every season starts this way. We’ll get a nerf on Tuesday for Tyrannical, and then the following week we’ll get a nerf to Fortified. Most keys tested on the PTR don’t have a lot of affixes because you get to pick your affixes and everyone chooses the easiest stuff.
But I was able to complete a +4 with a group at 485+ except for 1 player at 450. Everything just feels so off right now because of the key level squish.
Are you trolling, or do you legitimately not know that they changed the way dungeons work?
They squished the m+ level range from 2 to 20 down to 2 to 10. But they didnt lower the ceiling, they raised the floor. So a +2 is like a +12, but still like a 12 in a new season.
So going from season three 15s to struggling in season four 12s is somewhat reasonable, though tbh you should be able to manage it with the gear from 15s last season.
It’s the key level squish + iLvl increase all at once.
The initial mythic starting 10 difficulties higher while everyone lost power from the ilvl increase combined isn’t trivial.
The other thing people are overlooking is it’s tyrannical week which is normally hard for bosses but for the first week of the season when people don’t know boss mechanics its brutal. And at +2 its not a +2 tyrannical…it’s a +12. +12 with crap gear right now for everyone.
And the folks who were not running 20+ keys before don’t have the players who were running plus 20 before decked out in max ilvl gear carrying them. We all had higher geared players and more experienced players running dungeons we had all gotten accustomed to.
Now we have the changes, a new season with dungeons quite a few people never saw that came to DF late, and everyone is starting fresh mostly on gear relative to the gear recquirements.
you would feel a whole lot more insignificant if you walked into a 2 at 440
if the posting toon is the toon you’re struggling on, its because youre undergeared on top of it. go run some m0 and raid (the raids are undertuned imo), do the tw, respect the key as a 12 and dont expect a 2
those who went into the season at 485+ are able to breeze past 2s
Sounds like a skill issue, also you were the one tanking it, so… maybe the issue lies there?
Keys don’t get hard until 8.
Tell that to my PuG DPS who can’t break 200k DPS in 480 gear and cause the dungeon to drag on glacially to the point the timer nearly expires in a +2 even with zero wipes.
I might have to switch to Brewmaster this season because that’s the only way I’ll be sure the timers will actually be beaten. I’ve been generally 1st/2nd DPS in my PuGs as a tank and that’s concerning.
even then its just what, day 3? i think once people get geared a bit more and the cobwebs cleared keys in the teens wont even be difficult, if people freshly out of s3 can go up to 8-10 this easily and those who are in the low 500s (which is ahead of the curve but still low) are already clearing 15s
part of the problem is that the key levels flattening at the beginning mixed in people who got good gear but have no clue how to play with people who have good gear and a clue how to play. we’ll be redivided soon enough
Season 3 keys were significantly easier than S1&2, which lead to a lot of people doing key levels they had never done before because of it. But yes, that is still concerning. It’s going to turn a lot of those people off keys or push them to do better. Only time will tell.
i wouldnt even trust s3 rio, if you really wanna vet check their s1/2 io lol
(though the toon im playing didnt even exist in s1/2 so maybe i shouldnt encourage this)
All tuning aside, if this is how you feel in general you should probably look into horizontal progress games like gw2 or ESO. WoW will always reset your gear with each season.
Again keys don’t get hard until 8. 7s are super easy but it seems like the transition from 7-8 is rougher then all the other transitions so far.
This means everyone in the group doing roughly 200k dps or more, healing being like 180-200k ramps sometimes higher.
This is likely due to gear
I’m thinking undergeared players are all rushing 8s for the myth track vault too.
you can 4 man +7s even
found that out the hard way
if you aren’t running 12s by now, are you even playing the game?
my team is far too employed to prog that fast
we’re up to 9s and will probably send some 10s today or tomorrow
rngesus has cursed us and keeps giving us the same 2-3 dungeons which doesnt help
To think you all are justifying this. It doesn’t take a mathematician to see that these are overturned. I was banging out 14’s like it was a heroic and now a 0 can barely be done. Your opinions are clearly diluted. Dungeons are overturned atm. AND THATS OK!