Cut to the chase, I loathe Bestow Faith. A fire-and-forget delayed heal that can be dispelled. I only recently started making the full swap to Paladin, but when I played Priest, I never saw a single Bestow Faith go off simply because it could be dispelled.
Honestly, I like Hpal’s mastery. The concept of it is simple and relatively effective and keeps you on your toes in terms of placement and how you use your mobility. However, if I were to do anything to it, I’d probably make it a talent, preferably the one that replaces Bestow Faith. Let’s say the max healing increase would be 40% at melee range.
Now, as a former priest, I’d like to see HPriest’s mastery be given to Paladin, where your heals put a hot on the target for x% of the initial heal, healing every 2 seconds for 6 seconds. I wouldn’t particularly miss the mastery, as a priest, if they were to replace it with something that interacts with Holy Word cooldowns.
Otherwise, I haven’t seen much issue with Hpal. Seems to be a nice healer, great utility, fun to play. But I mostly want your opinions on it
The spec feels punishing when holy shock dosent crit is bad design. Objectively worse in nearly every way from legion…
Devo aura nerfed by 50%
LotM damage 50% up from 25%
No more 10% healing and extra proc from light of dawn
100% sac damage up from 60%
Locked into 3 honor talent in pvp, no diversity
just a few examples, this spec is no where near ok right now.
Our mastery is terrible. We are penalized for healing at range. All of our Auras are terrible raid cooldowns when combined with Aura Mastery. Holy Shock Crit modifier was nerfed in BFA.
I don’t think we need a HOT otherwise we will become like other healers. I’m OK with being a single target healer but we are weak single target healers compared to how we used to perform.
Honestly, I hate our mastery. I hate not having the extra buff from LoD. Holy Shock’s impact feels like it’s nil when it doesn’t crit. Overall the spec feels a lot more spammy IMO and I don’t like that. We’re kinda not in a great spot right now and I hope it gets fixed.
All I have healed so far in BFA is regular instances.
It is fun, and I like the style, but if I get behind on group healing they are dead.
I realize that is just the nature of the holy paladin, but it makes it hard to enjoy the melee aspect when you watch a hunter go from 100% to 20% almost instantly and there is basically nothing you can do.
Devo is a very strong CD. It’s the only aura that’s really considered though, the others either have too many problems that come with it (AoS) or are just too weak (AoM).
I fully agree the aura row sucks though. It wasn’t balanced in legion and it isn’t balanced now either. Only reason mercy is used is to pad meters since devo doesn’t contribute there. Really hope blizzard won’t see that and take it as “oh wow mercy and devo are both good options! Balance achieved”.
Overall I also agree Holy is very boring currently. It’s essentially legion holy Paladin without legendaries/tier/artifact which is quite bland. Hpals complained about the legion playstyle on beta before artifacts were added and now we actually have it live which is kinda insane to me. Azerite does very little in regards to adding any depth to the class. Holy needs more ability interaction (IE: Maraads, daybreak, etc) imo.
I don’t really have problems with people getting chunked, I just pop my Avenging Crusader with beacon of virtue and it puts people back to full with my damage dump.
Holy Pally is in a weird place right now. We don’t have a spammable damage dealing ability. We don’t have a filler spell except for Holy Light or Flash of Light which I feel are bad filler spells coz one will either overheal and the other will just waste mana.
What we need is a filler spell like a spammable blessing of kings spell that gives a low hp shield (2000-3000hp) but refreshes every 3 secs for 12secs.
We also need a spammable dps ability or something that refreshes like maybe judgment has a chance to refresh when doing melee.
As far as pve goes is kinda meh. Definitely better healers out there to bring for raids and we are adequate for M+ but under represented because other healer specs are much better.
As far as PvP goes were middle of the pack and now we are getting nerfed pretty hard in 8.1. So I might be playing my warrior next patch.
Bestow Faith baseline self heal at 33% of Paladins HP increase marty a bit and put in exorcism in bestow faiths talent spot that heals for % of dmg done.
I am a noob at bfa start. I play Ret and Prot mostly, I would love to play Hpal in dungs but my heals are so mediocre the whole group gets slowed down. So maybe its because i am bad at Hpal that i had have these bad experiences as of late. That being said i can heal a group just fine with a resto shammy or monk.
What do you guys think me or the class?
I havent seen a Hpal in random dung que for a while either
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There is always something you can do. Paladins have plenty of cooldowns. In your hunter scenario, you could BoP him and BoV to top everyone off, blow a cooldown, (our cooldowns are rather short), use martyr…
The group I run my mythic + with knows what my (crappy) mastery is. If there is no cleave or need for a range to be at range, why can’t they stand in melee? I KNOW it goes against every fiber of their being, but hey, we got used to it. Now our balance druid stands in melee with the rest of us when she can so she can get full benefit of my (crappy) mastery and (crappy) cone heal.
I posted a forum about Light of Dawn and how I wished holy radiance would come back, and that I was disappointed how LoD essentially requires a trait to become ‘useful’ and I was met with “LoD isn’t useless and doesn’t require the trait to be useful” yet… every hpala on the chart uses at least 1 LoD trait for everything. Lol yeah, totally not useless without the trait. Better have a full melee raid.
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It isn’t useless without the trait, we have never had this trait and it’s never been useless. BD is a fairly giant buff though, it essentially makes it so your LoD can hit more people that are low health as opposed to only reaching 5 with 2 or 3 being at low hp.
You also have to understand that it’s comparative to our other traits. Why would you take grace over BD when grace doesn’t work correctly on the fights BD is great on? Same goes for the other traits we have.
Raid of 20 people, 5 melee, 2 tanks, rest ranged. Ranged are all taking damage - without trait, I’d have to run into ranged to get heals that will already be topped off by other healers. Light of Dawn used to be 30yrd range, having to use a trait to gain what we lost is not “class fantasy” nor is it good design. Light of Dawn should be 30 yrds period and the azerite trait in question needs to be removed or reworked. You keep arguing that we don’t need the trait for LoD to be useful, but why does every paladin and their mother run it with 1-2 archive traits. It is bare minimum REQUIRED to have that trait.
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