My Main Problems With The WoW Tokens

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TLDR: token bad i am big mad

I know that this is a controversial topic but it needs to be talked about. I think that the WoW tokens have been a great money maker for blizzard so I don’t think they will change them or remove them but it still doesn’t mean it’s been good for the game or that you’re not allowed to criticize them.

The main problem with WoW tokens is the amount of gold they give and how cheap they are, it feels that it devalues the time that you spend in game to a point where it feels like you will progress faster working a job then to spend the same time playing the game.

Gold making:
It feels like there is 3 classes of players in WoW;

  1. AH goblins who’ve been stockpiling their gold over expansions using their wealth to make crazy amounts of money in ways the average player could never dream of.

  2. Players who frequently purchase tokens who have no problems with gold.

  3. The average player who is usually poor, maybe only has around 100k across their account and maybe sometimes buys tokens.

Now this shouldn’t necessarily be a problem until you realize the in game economy has a massive problem with inflation, Blizzards solution to this was raising the price of gold syncs and lowering the raw gold gained from old content. While this doesn’t hurt the first two groups of players it severely hurts the last group.

The average player can no longer reliably farm gold and with the rising price of gold syncs has left players in a ditch with the only solutions being to either compete in the AH and hope you get lucky or buy gold.

Endgame:
Since the introduction of the WoW token carries has become a big thing. In the past carries were never a big problem because of how risky and expensive it was but with the safety of the wow tokens this has changed. For the small sum of $20 you too can skip the months of effort to get your new shiny mount.

AoTC mounts have become glorified store mounts. Why bother finding a guild, making friends, or getting geared when you can just pay $20 and skip socialization? Someone like me with excess money and social anxiety this was a perfect feature for me until the game basically died for me. Whenever I came across a slight inconvenience I always thought “Why don’t I just buy a token?”.

This comes back to the main issue. The wow Tokens are good, too good and cheap to the point where it’s literally better to work a job then to play the game to earn what you want.

Want to upgrade a legendary? Why spend 2-3 weeks earning gold when you can just work 1-2 hours?

Want to get AoTC? Why spend a month making friends and gearing when you can just work for 1-2 hours?

Want the cool keystone or glad mount? 1-2 hours!

Well you might ask “What’s wrong with people paying to skip the content they don’t enjoy?” or “You don’t have to buy them, just because you lack self control doesn’t mean the rest of us have to suffer.”

These mindsets while common are pretty unhealthy when in the context of a game as it shows that Blizzard has done a great job at conditioning players.

For “What’s wrong with people paying to skip the content they don’t enjoy?”, is the only solution you can think of for avoiding something in the game you dislike is to pay your way past it? Instead of accepting it, why not complain?

For “You don’t have to buy them.”, Yes you don’t but when it gets to the point where it’s more efficient and beneficial to not play the game it becomes a problem. It incentivizes blizzard to not make a fun game but to make more barriers that you can pay through. This is why a lot of people have left because of blizzards shift in focus.

I’m fine if you disagree with me but I at least want you to know that I care about this game. you may call me whatever names you like but at least try to engage in good faith.

Like I said at the start WoW tokens make too much money so they will never change or remove them willingly and the players aren’t really bothered enough so tokens are here to stay.

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1-2 hours ? i typed glad carries on google , it is 400-600$

Limit do Mythic raid carries for 10M gold 6 month in the patch

I think you overrestimate players leaving because of the WOW token , the game has just crap systems and lack of content atm

I can tell you if Blizzard remove the WOW token today , people would still not play or come back to the game .

Maybe i’m wrong , but i don’t think lot of people really care about the token , they just want a good game

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I can’t disagree more. It has never been easier to make gold in game. I have been able to buy four TCG pets in a few months just by logging on and sending out my followers on missions.

Not to mention callings, farming, professions, etc. The only other time I remember gold being this easy to get was WoD garrisons.

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Gold in Shadowlands is way too plentiful to be honest. You’re getting 1600-1800 gold per Calling, paragon bags are 3500 gold each, at max Renown the weekly Anima turn in gives gold. The more characters you have at level 60 increases the amount gained, no previous expansion matches this amount of weekly gold.

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all of the design changes focused on increasing metrics related to cash shop revenue have been extraordinarily bad for the average player’s wow game experience

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The main problem is you don’t understand how much good the wowntoken has done.

The token is just an excuse/scapegoat for unskilled players to justify their lack of success.

In one hour of farming this weekend I looted 4 transmog items that sell for an average of 400k due to rarity.

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False. It’s been bad for the lazy players that don’t put any effort into making gold.

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How do you know that’s where the average player is? I would belive plurality, but average is a very weird stat when it comes to outliers.

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Gold you can farm.
Gil must be bought.
WoW 1
FF 0

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I’m not really in agreement with you OP.

No tokens exist = many can’t manage to sub. Or they use real money and buy their own.

Tokens exist = more people can afford to sub. They have options of buying with real money or if they have it they can purchase with gold.

Tokens are a gold sink. If you wish to work for the gold and have it you can spend it in this manner. If you don’t, then no you obviously can’t buy a token with gold, have to use real money.

Either way for the most part a token/game time is being purchased. Who cares who does the purchasing?

Using a token to boost up, well if you want to use it for that sure. Either way real money is spent, player probably would boost anyway… It only takes a few days to level up if one doesn’t have the gold or real money. Doesn’t mean you know how to play either. lol

Selling carries? This was happening prior to tokens being introduced into the game. Not really much of a change. Now they sell to boosted players, vs selling to those who spent 3 days leveling up…

I don’t mean to be rude, I’m just not getting it. I don’t see how being a sub, or spending gold on tokens “breaks the game/ruins the game.”

I’ve seen this argument previously, and I just don’t get it. Maybe it’s just me. lol

Occasionally I used to sell tokens, not much at this time as I got a pay cut so for now anyway, I just spend real money for my own stuff.

For AH prices, those go up and down. Easy to make gold? Prices go up. Difficult to make and very few people have a lot? Prices go down. It’s suppy and demand. No one buys at a high price, price goes down. Tons of people buying at a lower price, price goes up.

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I personally support the WoW token but not what some people choose to do with the gold they get. The WoW token cuts out the gold sale ads and lets players who make a lot of gold trade that in exchange for someone else paying for their sub. I agree with carries for gold ads being annoying. But they can absolutely ban the ads/carries themselves without getting rid of the WoW token, and have a similar effect to what you are looking for.

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Boosting isn’t against tos

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Not being able to farm as much is really unfortunate since it limits the player’s reason to play old content. However, you can make money without spending a dime of real world money beyond your sub. If you had multiple level 60s, each has a daily of around 2k gold when you sell your grays. On top of that, professions like alchemy will get you a ton of gold from the AH via raiders. This method has been very reliable and consistent for me.

Note the most important consumables that raiders need and have your characters make those.

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I’m literally buying up augment runes and flasks.

Once patch hits those 150 runes will
Be 500-1000 gold.

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Exactly, and second to all this, gathering professions will still make bank. Plenty of people with giant money bags that want to level up a crafting profession don’t want to do all that extra work. I will, though, and I will happily take their money for it. My miner STILL makes bank this late into the expansion.

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I never claimed it was.

bye :roll_eyes:

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All of this is the game design. None of it is a coincidence. Although I would dispute that massive inflation has taken over. If anything the economy is in a deflationary death spiral, where control over pricing belongs to people who will post anything and everything at ridiculous prices, willing to wait years for a sale to someone who is too stupid or too desperate to know better.

How else could we constantly see scam bids on items already at absurd prices, which were placed by the seller to make their prices appear legitimate? But if I try to sell one at a fraction of the price, it comes back.

There’s no demand for most of this stuff. Even the AH is designed to encourage such scams. Does the economy even have enough gold in it to cover the tokens so many people must buy to continue playing? If you say yes, you’re taking it on pure faith and nothing more.

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If anything the wow token keeps players playing since they can buy a sub with a token.

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Can you clarify this? Do you mean that the existence of the WoW token devalues the time you spent in game because you could have bought a carry to skip the grinding? Or do you mean when others buy tokens, it devalues your time spent grinding?

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For real. Personally my own 6-month/credit card/“real money” sub expired back on January 22, but because I spent most of January farming gold I’m all paid up and still playing despite no longer doing 6-month subs.

I’m all paid up on my sub until September, and it’s all thanks to the WoW token. It’s a great feature, I hope they keep it going forward :+1:

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