I want to keep this as nice as possible but also straight forward. Look, I know that you have heard this many times probably, but you will NOT be seeing any content past 5 mans if you choose to role a meme spec. You MIGHT see previous raid content after the game has been out for a while, but for progressing / fresh raid content? Forget about it.
Fury warriors - These are your options.
Go Arms ( some grps will take only 1 Arms Warrior for the debuff but that’s it )
Go Prot and be a tank
Become a PvPer
Reroll
Also please stop trying to give Ret Paladins so much hope about finally being accepted in TBC, I assure you the rejection that Ret Paladins face in Classic will be just the same in TBC if not worse due to less raid slots & harder content in general. Paladins, throw on a shield, and please either be a tank or healer, otherwise if you wanna stay ret, I suggest you take up PvP because that’s the most you’re rly gonna get out of TBC.
And before someone comes at me and says ‘‘But TBC content is easy man’’ We know. This is an old game, but I’d say it’s pretty clear that it’s dominated by the competitive crowd. I don’t wanna be a ‘‘Go back to retail lol’’ guy, but tough pill to swallow, Classic in 2019+ was never & never will be a casual / scrub friendly game. I am sorry. The game is old, it’s figured out, and the average person takes a completely different approach to the game than how they did back then. The game is less about clearing the content & more about speed clears & maintaining a high average parse %.
So my advice to you people, adapt to the meta or save yourself from the frustration and just simply move on. No, we don’t ‘‘hate’’ you, but the harsh reality is you just don’t belong here. If we ruined this game for you, I’m sorry, but this is what you’ll get when you bring back an old game that’s fully figured out. A different approach will be taken since the ‘‘mystery’’ & ‘‘new’’ factors are no longer existent.
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Yea keep talkin crap about memes until you run into 4 belf holy pallies and a resto druid that make u give up after 15 minutes.
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Rets are in almost every raid roster that has a prot pally. Extra blessing, 10% holy damage aura, and 100% uptime on judgment of wisdom (+light if you have a holy paladin in the roster due to crusader strike refreshing all judgements). Bubble can cheese mechanics and BoP saves your locks she they pull threat…
I mean there is a lot of utility there. But if you don’t want to include one that’s on you…
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You want 3 paladins just to cover blessings, and can bring up to 4 for that purpose.
Ideally you just get one of each spec and call it a day, but in the hypothetical universe where you had to choose between the 3 specs and only bring one of them, I’d still bring the ret over either of the other two. Keeping judgements active and actually having a raid utility.
Also, you clearly haven’t been paying attention to recent changes… If seal twisting goes live in tbc how they have it on ptr, ret won’t just be a decent dps, it’ll be the top overall melee in tbc, basically until one warrior or rogue has warglaives.
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Oh, 0 posts you say? “Ret is bad lul…”
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, so I’ll say it as nice as possible: raid needs ret for 3rd blessing and to refresh ALL judgements.
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Funny thing is, none of us care that play what we want.
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This post has inspired me to play more meme specs. Thank you sir.
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Straight wrong. I was progression MT as an Arms warrior in TBC for several server firsts in t4 through t6 content.
Meme specs? There isn’t any such thing as a meme spec in TBC. All specs can do their job.
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“Meme specs” will be fine, at least for the fist couple of tiers. They might start to fall off around T6.
But yeah, on the whole, the “meme specs” don’t really come into their own until Wrath.
There is absolutely nothing in TBC that needs to be min-maxed. Even tight DPS races like Brutallus were done with non-glaive rogues, fury warriors and arcane mages in t6.
Sure the parsing meta will require specific comps but no amount of raid stacking in TBC will over come bad players.
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The only meme specs of TBC are DPS classes that insist on rolling the inferior tree for PvE, not the hybrids whose DPS tree brings necessary utility.
Retribution Paladins have an easier time getting a slot because of their party and raid wide utility along with DPS that isn’t competitive in and of itself, but is more than sufficient to justify the slot over another pure DPS. Each raid will likely only ever run with one Ret because the utility diminishes greatly, but people will find a slot for them fairly regularly.
Fury Warriors will have a harder time justifying their placement over any Retribution Paladin, Balance Druid, Feral Druid, Elemental Shaman, Enhancement Shaman, or Shadow Priest.
I’d rather take a Warlock who spec’d for Shadowfury utility over a Fury Warrior…
Don’t be salty.
If nothing else, my money says otherwise.
The only reality is that casual players do not belong in the progression raids of yourself and those like you. They literally belong in every other facet of this game.
Also, as you said it’s old content: get over yourself.
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Just find a guild that shares your game/play values. There are plenty of different ones out there. Not every guild is a sweaty loot council, parsing-PvP raid guild.
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Is there a point to this thread?
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Read upto this point. Then realised you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
Ret brings almost the strongest single contributers to raid dps in the entire game via Imp seal of the crusader. Removing crit supression early on is huge and it’s utility a prot pally just can’t afford to bring in the earlier stages of the game.
Even at later stages of the game you still want a ret for the bonus 12% bonus holy damage for your prot pally aswell as the increased damage from seal of the crusader.
Lastly, Judgement refreshment on crusader strike is just a nice top off of their utility as thats yet another raid dps increase by saving GCD’s for locks, stretching out mana pools for other mana users and providing a steady stream of minor healing that surpasses Imp LoTP thanks to having no ICD.
Not for everyone. Personally speed clears are not something i’m even vaguely intrested in. Pushing my spec to it’s limits in a raid of people who want to do the same is intresting for me.
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PSA
You can raid TBC as any spec you want, because the player-base will be MASSIVE, and the number of truly sweaty guilds will still be relatively low.
Will you have to be creative about your guild choice? Possibly.
Will you have to server transfer depending on what you want to do? Unlikely, but possibly, depending on server size.
Are 99% of players going to care about your spec outside of Sunwell? Absolutely not.
Do your thing. Parsers won’t have nearly the same effect on TBC as they had on Classic, because World Buffs and spending 5 hours to buff up to “save time” (aka 20 min on a run) won’t be a thing.
Players like OP are misinformed, disingenuous, and have lost sight of the fact that WoW raiding, while much more exciting in TBC, is nowhere close to the difficulty of dynamic, high-rated PVP content. You’ll be fine, your spec is fine, and see you guys in Outlands.
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Hmm… who wants a Ret pally on their arena team?
Hasn’t ret/enh recently become a thing? I could be wrong, but I thought that was a thing.