My extremely unpopular wow opinion

[Dan-emerald-dream]

@Eztraj-illidan

elite fast twitch cyber athletes

[Wellfleet-malganis]

@Eztraj-illidan

The skill required to follow a rotation and do mechanics is not in any way comparable to some of the elite fast twitch cyber athletes and rts micromanagers.

You’re right, it’s not.
I would argue that both are about equal, complexity wise-- they just require different skillsets.
Source: I play both WoW and shooters a LOT.

[Lovelight-sargeras (Lovelight)]

Ok

[Eztraj-illidan]

you laugh but there was some starcraft commentator/player that recently died that benched like 500lb LOL

[Apoleb-bleeding-hollow]

This fish is not anywhere near as capable of flight as birds or insects. I would imagine that swimming through the water is extremely difficult and require a high degree of strength, but it’s literally impossible to call yourself “flying” as a fish. The power to swim and maneuver through the current is not in anyway comparable to some of the speed and agility of birds and insect Flyers

[Whitehead-moon-guard (Whitehead)]

Yeah I thought about that diss (is “diss” still a “thing”? Are there still "thing"s? as a boomer, I have to be so careful using the young people words) a few posts up, implying boomers can’t even play WoW casually because the last video game they played was pong and they don’t have the reflexes.

We boomers just have such humongous stores of information in our heads, that our action potentials have to traverse much vaster distances than yours do, wee ones, in order for the neurons to fire.

don’t mess with us

[Jakesulli-bronzebeard]

@Eztraj-illidan

The skill ceiling for this game is not anywhere near what it is for things like RTS

You dont know what youre talking about. You dont compare a FPS-like RPG to RTS.

On StarCraft, you control/manage 200 units all over the map. High APM (Actions Per Minute) is required to correctly manage your 200 units all over the map. Whereas on WoW, you control only ONE unit which is your toon. You dont need a very High APM to play WoW.

However, WoW requires your fast reflexes when you delve to the hardest difficulty content of the game. You need to do your rotation and fight mechanics while avoiding the poops being thrown at you. WoW’s Esports and World First are more of a team game… a team effort… need coordination from your team mates… unlike on StarCraft is solely for 1 player managing everything… it’s not 5vs5 like on Mythic+/Arena or 20vs20 race to kill Raid Bosses. I know StarCraft has Multiplayer option but their Multiplayer contests is not as popular as their 1vs1 contest.

[Eztraj-illidan]

@Jakesulli-bronzebeard

However, WoW requires your fast reflexes when you delve to the hardest difficulty content of the game. You need to do your rotation and fight mechanics while avoiding the poops being thrown at you.

you need fast reflexes in mythic raiding, but elite RTS play is basically shooting NBA jumpers under pressure… RTS play is basically chess

[Jakesulli-bronzebeard]

@Eztraj-illidan

RTS play is basically chess

Yeah, as I indicated on my above post, on RTS, you control all the units (200 units on StarCraft). On WoW , how would it become a Chess if you control only 1 unit which is your toon? That’s why WoW needs team coordination with your fellow players.

[Eztraj-illidan]

@Jakesulli-bronzebeard

That’s why WoW needs team coordination with your fellow players.

I’m not doubting the skills involved in high level raiding, I’m just saying that MMOs are not inherently as much about skill as other genres.

[Jakesulli-bronzebeard]

I believe on awesome Serral’s Zerg skills. But I strongly believe he would lose when he is on a game that involves Team effort. But he wont play Team games as his Solo reflexes and fast fingers is better for RTS games. I saw him played on Age of Empires 4… he was awesome but he didnt play long becoz there’s large amount of money on StarCraft2.

[Mag-nazgrel]

@Wellfleet-malganis

I would argue that both are about equal, complexity wise-- they just require different skillsets.

Yeah, but nearly everybody can be elite at WoW with enough information and practice. Not everybody can be elite at an FPS no matter how much they practice. Neither is horribly complex though, where RTS and MOBA games require much more active decision making with a lot of complex information.

MMOs are a very easy genre of game to be good at. It’s more about tolerating the grind and being willing to invest the time acquiring a large raid force that works well together. Like somebody said earlier, the hardest part of raiding is finding other people that also just don’t suck, and finding that many people that fit your play time may be very difficult for people with a rotating and busy schedule. It doesn’t necessarily sound hard in theory, but…

[Hawkéns-moon-guard]

My unpopular opinion is that gold and pink on dks should never be a thing.

[Eztraj-illidan]

@Mag-nazgrel

Not everybody can be elite at an FPS no matter how much they practice.

I disagree, but this is a whole other argument about the nature of skill. If you play starcraft or whatever with extreme intensity for 10 hours a day for a decade you will probably be an elite player.

[Mag-nazgrel]

StarCraft I agree, but I think FPS top level play requires a certain level of intangible skill. I think a lot of people just don’t have brains that talk to their eyes and hands and react fast enough to put it all together. Could that be improved? Yeah probably, but I don’t know for sure. My opinion on how it breaks down goes like this.

Complex:
RTS
MOBA

Difficult:
FPS

Easiest of both worlds:
WoW

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Eztraj-illidan

but it is literally impossible to call yourself a true cyber athlete or whatever in wow.

And ?

Also, lol @ “cyber” athlete. Get in shape, go out for a run.

[Eztraj-illidan]

@Mag-nazgrel

I think a lot of people just don’t have brains that talk to their eyes and hands and react fast enough to put it all together.

Throughout his book, Gladwell repeatedly refers to the “10 000-hour rule,” asserting that the key to achieving true expertise in any skill is simply a matter of practicing, albeit in the correct way, for at least 10 000 hours.

[Mag-nazgrel]

I can’t say I agree with Gladwell. I know you’ve met people in your life that sound like they’re struggling to just keep up with very basic information in a conversation and you question how they navigate adulthood. Imagine giving one of those people 10k hours playing Valorant and I still refuse to believe they would be a star.

Again, I could be wrong, but that’s a theory and something that’s logically impossible for that guy to declare as a fact.

[Eztraj-illidan]

@Mag-nazgrel

Imagine giving one of those people 10k hours playing Valorant and I still refuse to believe they would be a star.

10,000 hours to master, not be the world’s best… and it has to be real genuine effort to get better, not just showing up to calculus class and playing games on your calculator

[Mag-nazgrel]

If you’re differentiating “mastering” and “being a professional” then why are you bringing it up in this discussion, exactly?