I can’t keep up with the mana demands that MW has on top of it healing for crap. I tried fistweaving and the more laid back pure healing build. Could not keep up with my tanks that were chain pulling while my other healers would be totally fine with big daddy pulls. I can’t speak for raids since I don’t do that much but for high keys, the Prideful pulses and chain pulls MW oom so much that I begin to run out of mana pots.
If they were healing for a lot I could understand but their mechanics of Fistweaving heal for nothing (4 seconds extra is not worth it). So you cast your expensive hots then Vivify (also expensive) to heal cleave. This is such a bad style to play with since the mana costs so much. Only time I don’t OOM is during Mana Tea or Focus Thunderx2 with Vivify. It is by far the most frustrating healer to play. I can see why people would rather bring Holy Pally than MW. I don’t get how a frontline healer does the pathetic damage.
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What cds are you using with pride? How are you using them? Are you making sure to drink if you need to. If you do nothing but pugs you will prob be miserable. The advice I can give is use chi ji on prideful around 70ish percent, if ur dps are good they should be able to kill it around the 25 seconds chi ji is up. Also takes a lot of practice to use rising mist in keys, but it is the better choice for mana atm.
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Chiji or Fallen Order. Before it was Weapons of Order when I was Kyrian. Went Venthyr cuz my group needed a Venthyr. However on high keys with Inspired, I have to heal more. In Mists the Pride can spawn before you kill all the mobs or when chain pulling and get a pride. Storming also makes it a pain to proc Chiji while rolling around the mobs owns attacks.
I would spread ReM (renewing mist) and manage to get at least 3-4 ReMs then try to Vivify cleave with Mana Tea up. I typically play with a Blood DK which on my other healers I have no problem keeping up. Even with Veng DH, healing party was a pain, especially last week Tyrannical Mists where the pulsing damage was Ooming me fast.
I just don’t think there is enough for MW good with how heavy their mana costs are. Just because I am in PuGs, it shouldn’t put me at a disadvantage. Even something like Disc which has to predict damage, I have an easier time with chain pulls on the priest than a MW. I can’t believe how little Revival heals. It is not a good “oh crap button”.
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In keys revival is more of a mass dispel, I would have to see more to know what you are doing wrong, but MW in keys can be rough if you are in particularly unorganized group. Storming does kinda suck but it can be pretty easy to play around. You also have a bit too much mastery. If you can try and get more haste vers gear. Your biggest heal overall after dungeon should be ENVM, and it isn’t affected by mastery. Also I’m not sure if it’s the way you logged out, but those two trinkets you are using are straight trash. I recommend the pvp haste trinket, hymnal or changeling. You should not be using a stam trinket.
Yeah i got the 197 pvp trinket with Haste. I only had the stam trinket to survive Pride because when i switched a lost a lot of free % stam due to loss of renown from Kyrian to Venthyr. Been trying to get the changeling but that mfer is elusive. Should i really be focusing on ENVM as opposed to Vivify/ReM for cleaves for heavy AoE damage? I feel like I will run out of time and won’t get enough healing output like that.
You should be doing both, pretty much ENVM should be up in your tank every pull you do, unless you run with bad people there’s a lot of downtime to be fistweaving and extending your hots. You pug so it’s not possible for you, but having people in your group within range for enveloping breath is super nice, it’s usually one of my top heals over all.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pwaYBFnjDcJZG3gP/#fight=last&type=healing&source=6 My healing breakdown from a 20 SD I did. This is with an organized group but the healing breakdown should generally be that. Not the leech though lol.
I will give it a try again using more ENVM. Thank you for the advice. I do see ENVM in your logs being the most used in terms of heals. I don’t think i been to effectively using it much. Let me ask… during ChiJi what abilities do you use often to get the most used out of it? I feel like if i get pushed away from Storming I dont activate Chiji much or dodging crap like Deadly Thrust.
I use ENVM at two stacks with chi ji during prideful. And I usually will either rsk bok ENVM, but if rsk isn’t up I just tp bok x2 ENVM. However if there is a storming around during prideful you just can Sck to get the stacks. Pridefuls can be dicey, but it really is helpful to use chi ji around 60-70%, will feel a lot better. Also I usually use nadjia as my soulbind and go down the middle path, we only have one conduit that’s actually nice for potency so you aren’t losing a lot. But you get a decent amount of primary stat out of using that ability of hers.
Yeah i am stuck with Nadja while going through the campaign. I like the haste buff I agree. Yeah the Prideful stuff is tricky and it is around there where I am ooming because we are doing chain pulls. I manage to sneak in some drinks before the spawn but it gets overwhelming. I may just need to practice more timing with it, since even with my guildies I am Ooming more than I think I should.
Yea, you need to be vocal, I did a pug recently and whenever I needed mana I just typed out “mana” they only need to stop for about 3-5 seconds. After that ur good.
@OP i apologize and dont mean to hijack your thread but i have to ask a question.
@ Serethia how do you like Venthyr MW? I as well send out alot of EVM in my group for dungeons but that looks like a really nice “Oh sh*t” button tbh. While Kyrian does provide a really nice mastery increase, the haste buff from that tree is really nice on my Dpriest and Hpal.
Yes your healing breakdown should exactly match Serethia’s flex or you’re bad at MW.
He’s got the best rotation 100% and best stat priority 100%
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You can do well with a fistweaving or mistweaving build in high keys and do well with mana.
The biggest advice i could give you is to just keep playing. The mana issues will decrease over time as you learn how to play monk better, as you learn specific dungeons/affixes/routes so you know where to have cool downs ready, and as you learn specific tank/dps mitigation/healing/utility.
It WILL take time to build up this experience though. It WILL take many failed keys, but it is doable. My IO isn’t the best in the world but I’m proud of it because it’s all PUG.
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Lol don’t listen to this guy, he’s just a salty dude who couldn’t make the build he wanted to play work. I notice that all your top keys aren’t even as a healer. Couldn’t make your “build” work huh? I guess there was no point in you messaging me in game or you becoming super defensive against anyone who argued with you. There are things I could do to improve also, but any MW that pushes high will have a breakdown that’s pretty similar to that. Sorry that your “build” doesn’t work as well as the one most other MWs use.
I PUG all my keys, I don’t have a m+ group to play with — unlike you. It’s much harder to get into runs as a MW and then on top of that complete the runs. It’s easier to get into groups and turn over runs as brew or wind walker, regrettably.
Sounds like excuses lol, but I don’t really care, just pointing out that you find the need to critique me even though you weren’t even able to do what you set out to do and just gave up, kinda pathetic when you think about all the whining you did on the forums.
Who says I gave up lol. It just takes longer for me to raise my healer io. There are several other reasons to raise multiple specs io (mainly for the first season so that you get better invites in later seasons).
It’s just crazy that you think everyone’s healing profile should look like yours as if you have the absolute talent choice, perfect rotation, and stat priority.
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Lol I never said it should look like mine, however it should look similar, and I was just giving him something to go off of. My talents are perfect though, every MW that pushes top keys runs my exact talent setup lol. Idk why the notion of me giving advice to a MW who is also venthyr bothers you but he’s free to listen to my advice or he doesn’t have to. If he wants to try your “build” he can, however yours isn’t even proven to do 16s lol. Mine has shown capable of doing 20s. Just saying.
I don’t have a problem really with it at all I just want to give you specifically a hard time that’s all.
Slowly but surely I’ll make my way up to the 20s. Probably won’t use the Focused Thunder build but that build is fine.
LOL, sure. But you probably won’t do it as MW. Why you choose to give me a hard time idk, you literally aren’t even a thought in my head until you start saying the things you say. I also find it laughable that now you say you are gonna fistweave when you kept saying that your “build” is just as good. SMH.