Greetings all,
Happy to New Years. Im planning to stick it out with MW for the time being regardless of all the issues mostly revolving around mana. I normally turret heal and up until now it worked out well enough for me to backup heal with others called out for one reason or another. Anyways, think it would be easier to switch over to fistweaving? Will that helps ease some of the problems? I mostly heal in a raid setting or heroic/timewalks when the increased role reward pops up.
Fistweaving has been competitive for me in normal raid, and more interactive. It is a bit challenging in some fights to maintain around mechanics, but it isn’t too hard to quickly switch to some mistweaving mid fight if needed.
Ancient teachings is definately worth a go, imo
Kept running SOA to get that legendary yesterday. Now I just need to wait till tomorrow to get enough soul ash to make it. I totally read it wrong thinking it was just the next attack not the full 15s.
That lego is my 2nd top heal every raid encounter. As long as you cast EF on CD. Combine that with WotC, Chi Ji and Weapons of Order and your a lethal healing machine. Trust. My guild just get into H raiding but it’s still serving me very well. I also use it in high key dungeons. Thinking of swapping to our BiS lego just for dungeons, but fistweaving is the way to go.
Mistweaved for the first 2 weeks of raid simply because it was simming better. Gave Fistweaving a try cause I prefer it and most of my problems evaporated. I no longer have mana issues, my throughput barely changed, and I was able to contribute more damage.
Most fights I keep RJW and mana tea. Chi-ji is a mana conservation CD not a throughput CD, and I don’t currently need that.
I still go Mistweaver on Kael’thas though.
I’m currently NF. Do I need to switch to kyrian for weapons of order? I mean I don’t mind but I will miss my pretty blue ground stamps.
I’m currently playing Nightfae. The reason a lot of people are going for Weapons of Order is because of how nicely it syncs up with Chi-ji for the gusts he kicks up. In terms of raw throughput; it’s ahead by less than 5% of overall healing.
Play what you find the most comfortable with, as that’s what you’ll do better with.
Fistweaving is super fun, especially with that new leggo that provides healing from melee abilities after using Essence Font.
The healing output is much higher, but at a cost of putting yourself in danger of melee mechanics, and not being able to select your targets. The healing is “smart” as it selects wounded targets, so if you’re not a tank healer I say give it a go.
I find i have to be melee sometimes. Sludgefist as one example, I get chained to melee allies which is pretty much instant kill when I’m back by the other healers.
Even as a caster playstyle, Monk is included in melee targeting. It is the original melee healer. You are exempt from a whole myriad of mechanics as a result. Try staying in melee as much as you can, it’d make the adjustment to Ancient Teachings of the Monastery a lot easier for you.
Yea it made sense when I started thinking about it longer than a second. Used to do the OG fistweaving back in Pandaria.
I dont think it is. I was doing a World Quest the other day and noticed I was almost dead. I finally figured out that it was healing an NPC guard at 90% health while ignoring me at 70% health.
For the most part it does work, at least in the dungeons I’ve done but there is something wonky when it keeps trying to heal an NPC guard and ignoring me
Not only does it play well with chi Ji, but it’s such a great CD tool to have when everyone’s low and you just have to spam heal and those gust procs are HUGE.
Monk (any spec) is considered melee for his chain mechanic. That said, you need to sit in melee range.
Question.
When FW’n in a raid setting, wouldn’t SotC outperform Mana-Tea on most fights?
BoK is a 3s CD, generating a good chunk of heals via TotM/ATotM. Does Mana-Tea outweigh it when you’re popping Chi-Ji & pumping the raid on heavy AE phases/mechanics?
Yes I perfer SotC over mana tea I just usually forget to switch it up. Ide say it’s more of a farm talent as well. When my guild is progressing I like to take mana tea just in case someone messes up a mechanic and I can help save mana just to see more of the fight. But as of last Saturday I’m just going to be running SotC at all times.
At the same time though, Chi Ji is also a mana conservative spell which also helps restore a lot of mana during this window. My haste is low but Ide say ~10% haste is an ideal spot. This is personal preference not theory craft evidence.
Alright, that went. Got the leggo from for fistweaving, ran a few dungeons to get then hang of it and I ended up pumping out roughly the same numbers as I did doing regular mistweaving that I did last week. I think I did alot less wasted healing due to the legendary semi smart heal and keeping renewing mist up. All and all totally worth the switch. Going to keep at it for a while. Thanks for the tips everyone.
I had a question for you all. Don’t mean to hijack the thread but seems to be in line of my questions. Anyways I normally do m+ and I haven’t gotten Tears yet (can’t get into a pug raid probably cause I am a monk and not on when my guild does the raid, so waiting for LFR to open it up). So I have cloud now and teachings for legendary. Until I get tears, should I go with cloud or teachings? I also do turret healing, so not use to melee healing, but it does look good.
I was mainly wondering how good fistweaving with teachings is AOE healing wise. It does worry me that it isn’t a great smart heal and I might have to revert to MW in mid fight and not be able to go back to melee healing because of the dmg output during the fight. Any thoughts on this you all? Thank you
Going purely from 4hrs of experience last night, I still had to turret heal during some portions of a fight. So it wasn’t me spamming essence font, jab/bok and renewing mist. Had to use my other skills as well because I couldn’t get to the boss or alot of movement.
That’s been my experience as well… sometimes the turret is needed, but for the bread and butter you should be melee range.
You didn’t say rsk above. With rising mists talent, RN becomes my third largest heal. Might have been a typo, but I wanted to make sure you were using it too.
My biggest beef with ancient teachings legendary is that it sucks for M+. If you have a decent group who knows how to interrupt and generally avoid the bad, then you would be fine for the most part. But when ANYTHING goes wrong, or just certain bosses or affixes in general, and the weakness becomes glaringly obvious. Especially when I join in as WW and see other healers breeze past our sticky points unfazed. MW, particularly in M+ and PVP is broken.
Yup, using rsk as well forgot to mention that as part of my rotation lol.