It really is unfair. This is why I am genuinely leery about pursuing an effective, vengeance focused storyline. I would hate to dangle temptation like that in front of the people writing this game’s story. The writers say they love the Horde because it is the easiest faction to write for, but in truth the Horde is only easy to write for if you simplify them to a bunch of slavering monsters for the majority of the game.
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I think this is the main difference between Garrosh and Sylvanas. Garrosh started deciding who was and who wasn’t allowed in his horde based on racial lines. Sylvanas doesn’t care what race you are so long as you fall in line.
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This might be why they are having such problems. They are thinking in terms of vengeance but people are wanting justice. There is a difference between vengeance and justice. Sometimes it feels like the writers are struggling to understand that difference.
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Yeah … at this point I’m just sticking around for my Goblin Model update. The guys need some serious work, but if the girls could just get some colored eyebrows … they’d look REALLY good IMO (the facial animations especially are just so much more expressive and emotive). THAT’S my reward for all of BfA … if I get Gazlowe as my racial leader … even better. Everything else … just waiting for the Storm to blow over so we can start trying to pick up what pieces are left…
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Yes they are equal. A city for a city. Neither side achieved their objectives.
Ok so your solution is to kill more horde leader then…no? You wanna talk about faction bias, they spent en entire horde questing zone building up a character only to have him killed. It just fell flat on the alliance side, but in a lot of way it dosent mean it should be discounted though as a victory for the alliance.
Really not a reset, alliance won in the end, so its not a reset even.
Dosent matter what you’ve criticized in the past, or what you think about the issue.
The FACT of the matter is it did happen. The horde did have to work along side jaina, the one who not only committed an ethnic cleansing but also attempted to wipe out Org.
People talk about Sylvanas being blizzards waifu… its clearly Jaina.
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At this point, the only possible justice would be Nuremberg trials for the Horde leadership. And we already know that aside from Baine, they are all guilty. They aren’t going to let us execute or imprison the leadership of the Horde, so there is no justice on the horizon. The best you can hope for is to let us do something really awful to Sylvanas or let us win a victory against their army that reduces them the way the Night Elf civilian population has been reduced.
Neither is going to happen, so let us hope that they now realize the sort of finesse needed to handle an MMMORPG, and why making one side that is supposed to be just as heroic as the Alliance in its own way was a very bad idea. At least they have said, if IIRC, that this is the end of the faction wars, so it looks like this will be the end of the villain bat.
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Honestly I think people need to stop applying the rules of our world to the rules of warcrafts.
Would you prefer justice coming from “Trial by Stone?”
My genuine guess … they are going to try to dilute the Horde’s culpability in at least Teldrassil (if not the WoT itself) by foisting the lion’s share of the blame for this conflict on Sylvanas. Bluntly, structurally, the only way I can think of for them to even attempt this is the Ogmot’s Laughing Shepherd route.
As strange as it is, there is a rather twisted logic to diluting the Horde’s blame by ALSO making them the victims of Sylvanas. If they were the witless pawns in some game (blind-sheep, being led off a cliff by someone they thought genuinely had their best interests in mind) … it will “emotionally” (if not logically) portray them in a more sympathetic light. However, to actually pull this off … Sylvanas wold have to do something catastrophic to the Horde (and make her exit, leaving us with the bill for the war she started) … by the end of BfA.
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That wouldn’t solve the bit regarding the “river of wisps” that was written about, but that can be retconned. Honestly, I just hope that this xpac is forgotten as much as possible in the future xpacs. I want my heroic band of survivors back. I want it to feel good to be a part of the Horde again. I want their to be depth in the Horde again, rather than everyone in it is evil besides Baine.
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I’m not sure I remember the part about the “river of wisps” very well, but honestly the wisps don’t bother me that much (when they have been repeatedly shown to be used as weapons against the NEs enemies). Its the same thing as the vegetation in Darkshore. Its great and all for a NE to scream about how the Horde in the area is desecrating the forest, but when that VERY same NE is using that VERY same forest to impale those VERY same Horde … its a bit iffy.
There is a weird balance with the Kaldorei where their most sacred “things” also happen to be their most volatile and powerful weapons. The only way to fight them effectively is to try to deny them those weapons, but then they’ll scream about how blasphemous your actions are (which means the only way to “win” is to NOT attack their Holy Hand Grenades and let them blow you up with them).
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Yes brother let is ree over the purge together it was buly far the worst thing to happen to any one ever.
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Not quite sure what you mean by that, but you have to remember in warcrafts world… its pretty violent in a lot of senses, I mean after all the entire world is nearly wiped out every few years.
But what a lot of people are doing is trying to draw to many real life comparisons and are trying to do a 1:1 our world to warcrafts. This is one of the biggest reasons why I think the story needs and retcon and why blizzard started they probably over did it.
My guess is that they stated that they over did it, is because that they probably know what they have in store wont be ‘satisfying’.
So does that mean you can ever get over the pruge i mean the wotld its pretty violent in a lot of senses
Sure once you get over sylvanas. 
But you are cherry picking and compounding two very different posts i made, I was more so speaking in a broader sense where people want to see many many horde leaders face trials.
Where as the warcraft world may be much more understanding.
For me personally i am mostly over the story if anything i try to understand both sides and fail sometimes. But aside from trying to explain why to me despite UC being a victory it feels hollow i am beyind teld and while i want sylvanss gine that is only because she got hit with the villian bat .
Also i am infavour of just letting the rest of the horde leaders go if it means we never have a stupid faction war story again.
I also do see teld and the purge as having an impact for the same reason we were activly shown the event and it had actual lasting consequences.
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personally, while i disagree with jaina’s action, taken in context with the situation at hand her action makes sense. she got angry, was already paranoid (albeit for good reason) and lashed out, in the process loosing control over her own forces who went ham on the BE and started slaughtering. While her actions were wrong, they were also very human.
Same thing in my opinion with Stormheim. The alliance thought that the horde betrayed them. They did not, but from the alliance perspective it did look that way. Second, the alliance were fed bad intel and i believe SI7 was infiltrated by dreadlords who stoked up animosity. While the alliance in my opinion were in the wrong, taking everything into context what they did was the natural outcome and would be stranger if they DIDNT attack.
As far as camp Taurajo, i couldnt care less. It was a bunch of tents and huts, just like 90% of our settlements in wow. It held no significance to me whatsoever, although that touches on another problem that as a long time horde player there really isnt anything of significance we can hold on to. The closest settlements that have sentimental value would be crossroads (because virtually EVERYBODY levels there on every single character and you are there for like 10-15 hours), and Brill because it was a cool little undead town in the undead starting zone (not to mention the only one). And our zones are, lets be honest here, crap compared to the alliance ones with the possible exception of silverpine forest.
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It was a victory, it just fell flat. Just about anyones victories this expansion have fallen flat. Thats a huge problem right now.
I dunno… seems like thats be pretty bad from a business standpoint.
Im pretty much over the faction v faction story stuff too. Just kinda interested to see how they wrap this mess up.
All very good points. I always saw the purge as a crack down on a at the time possable terroist group that went far to far thsnks to jaina still being as bit well angry and the high elves having a crazy desire to kill blood elves i never understoof that hate.
And i agree UC was a victory on paper it falls flat because of presentation if half the war of throns time had been teld the other half UC i know people would feel better as it would at least feel earned.
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