Yes, also in 5.1 ptr i remember seeing something related that the bell was going to be used in darnassus with sha attacking civilians there, that was why jaina was so angry. reinforcemnt by her voice lines in 5.2
but they cut that part… i wonder why… 
But that would be boring because the alliance will be perfect, acting rationally.
i think that i am glad that at least we have something we can argue about “alliance” black actions.
It will be so much better because you can still have authority being abused, but not being stupid about it.
Its clear you are manufacturing your own outrage lol.
You have no idea of the context or the preceding events that caused the event.
Everything in lore points at Aethas and the Sunreavers for this event.
What was Jaina supposed to do when the Sunreavers multiple times sabotaged her and killed people she loved?
Aethas is to be blamed for this. Jaina did what she had to.
i disagree, that’s not being abused, that would be entirely justified.
and thus, making more difficult to make your side feel like the victim.
that is why i think blizzard did the overkill with the silver covenant throwing people to the sharks and stuff 
Yeah makes (Alliance) sense to me.
Actually it’s eight now.
How many “brave souls” upvoted you?
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about your rigid view of the Horde.
And for your original statement to work, you have to showcase Lor’themar having actively worked alongside Sylvanas at some point during the WoT, until such a time came in which he decided against it because it was inconvenient.
That is what Velen has done. Even when he KNEW Sargeras was evil and his peers Kil’Jaden and Archimonde were tempted by the dark titan’s offer, Velen did nothing to stop them from being seduced by him, resulting in countless deaths and destruction throughout the universe.
Tsk, tsk, typical self-righteous Alliance player constantly persecuting Horde players on the forums, even when most them are already unhappy as is with the direction that Sylvanas is taking the faction, and wholly DON’T support the war.
But seriously, do you not understand that most Horde players are NOT supportive of this narrative. WE did not choose to be bloodthirsty, murderous, idiots who jump at every moment to war against the Alliance on a whim, it was thrust on us by incompetent writers who saw themselves more fit to write a faction war story than the people who worked on MoP, breaking the Hordes’ continuity following the events of that expansion.
The context is that jaina saw the horde used a sunreaver portal to get around the wards dalaran gave the alliance (Despite being a completely neutral party am i right?) She has no evidence that this was the work of more then a single individual, and many of the victims had nothing to do with it at all.
She then proceeded to, without talking to the rest of the Council, orders another council member to evict his entire people, then orders the arrest of the entire sunreaver population, doing nothing as a rival political party takes advantage of this to rob and kill anyway who refuses or tries to flee, many of which die in fairly inhumane ways.
There is such a thing as disproportionate retribution were the punishment does not fit the crime. Almost the entire sunreaver population had nothing to do with the theft, yet they lose their homes and property, and quite possibly their lives, for a crime they had no idea even happened.
I feel like this isint pointed out often enough. Were it not for the Draenei, the Orcs would never have been corrupted to begin with. Whats worse is Velen knew, and even acknowledged, that they had doomed the Orcs and STILL didint even bother to warn them. The noble Draenei by the way.
she knows that another sunreaver betrayed her trust after another one was the one who sabotaged the defences of her city.
The patron was clear, she would an idiot if she trust them after that again. “fool me once…”
She was’t planning to use the bell, she, as leader of dalaran tried to keep it away from garrosh who had become a world threat.
who was DID planning to use it.
I don’t disagree, but I would argue a lot of the reasons people have grievances with Baine regarding Taraujo was because he DiDN’T intend to take disproportionate retribution for that tragedy. Yes, he exiled those calling for that disproportionate retribution from TB (not Mulgore, just TB) … but ultimately justice for Taraujo was served with the destruction of Northwatch (and the deaths of Hawthorne and his men). His choice with Magatha however is more questionable…
He worked for Sylvanas directly AFTER WoT!
And yet you keep justifying them. Be honest at least. I know I am.
You want to be pissed at writers go for it but you keep justifying how they chose to portray your characters.
As for Velen.
The guy could see the future. He knew they were already lost and he could not stop it. He just prepared as best as he could and ran away.
WoD Orcs were not corrupted. Look at what they did.
She was the leader of the Kirin Tor. Presumebly she can take some measures into their own hands.
After some bad apples of Sunreavers (SHOCKING!) destroyed Theramore she could not take any chances.
Again she tried to work this out with Aethas but he refused and you saw what happened. Despite Aethas knowingly let all of this happen.
At the end of the day the council chose to exile Aethas and not Jaina.
Let that sink in.
You jump through some serious hoops to justify and victimize the Alliance.
The goat is right 
, wod proved that the orcs are genocidal maniacs even without demon blood.
poor draenies used as fuel to the portal 
Nice dodge. Are you going to justify WoD orcs? Yes? No? Come on.
We are having an honest discussion here.
I only say the truth.
I mean even ignoring the whole Theramore was neutral debacle, the fact the first traitor was installed into the sunreavers without Aethas’ knowledge just kinda shows the organization isn’t gonna just betray you for the horde as a whole. I could see her ordering Aethas to step down from the council and more heavilly policing them
The issue people have with baine and taurajo isn’t that he didn’t push for more war, but he punished his people for defending themselves from alliance aggression. I’m fine with a leader who doesn’t go on a warpath for the slightest reasons, just not one who let’s their people be walked all over. As i said with Jaina, Sunreavers being punished isn’t the issue, the issue is her punishing the ones who were obviously innocent and doing nothing to stop the slaughter it became thanks to the silver covenant. And acting outside of the council in something that really should have been a council decision.
Jaina revoking Aethas’ status as a member of the Council of Six i would be fine with, as would i be with her actually policing the sunreavers more, the mass arrest i had an issue with. Baine i would be fine with saying he doesn’t want to purue the alliance out of the barren, but not him exiling those responsible for destroying a military fortress filled with dwarfs who had previously shown to be perfectly willing to kill entire tribes of tauren and had been bombarding them for years.
Good leadership is a balancing act that is very hard to walk on, you must be willing to protect your people and allow them to prosper, but also make sure you aren’t being to overtly… forceful, with the others.
Maybe they were just cleansing Draenor of parasites? But seriously, I’m not sure what the WoD Orcs have to do with the Draenei dooming the main timeline Orcs. And you accuse me of dodging. You rebutted my statement with an accusation.
They doomed themselves.
Demon blood or not the Orcs always resort to violence and mass genocide.
Does that mean Thralls just a ticking time bomb?
Who knows.
But one thing is for sure with Orcs now.
Demon Blood or not they behave the same way.
So does that justify the Draenei damning them to the Legion? Yes or no.