Yea if you’re talking about auto hotkey, sure the software was released before wow. But it was not made for multiboxing. It was made to create scripts that allowed you to do a variety of things. This is just an extremely dishonest and disingenuous argument you are making.
You have no idea. Were you there? I honestly kind of hit my head on things when thinking about this. We had 40 boxers.
Neither of us have any proof of that!
MB has always been a tiny part of the player base …although could have a pretty big impact at times. Blizz gets very little money from those few who do it.
I have played since Vanilla Beta. Further, I am grandma age. I was not a kid back then and did not wear rose colored glasses.
It won’t. It was allowed back then. It is allowed now. Nothing about it has changed.
Not that.
And YES it is annoying to come up against. It can be resolved with a group of friends…in an MMO. The whole concept of the game, esp Vanilla, is group play.
You seem to want changes to Vanilla that did not exist back then. I find that…a bit ironic, don’t you think?
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Yes I was. I don’t do betas but I started close to day one. I played a lot too. I had so many alts I had to have a server for my horde alts and a different server for my alliance alts.
I just retired about a year ago so if we’re going to play the age game we’re probably close to the same age. I was 47 when I started playing wow.
No we don’t but given my experience in game and the reports I’ve heard I think it’s likely there are more multiboxers in classic than vanilla.
Then think about this. You didn’t bother to address my main points. Computers have improved immensely over 15 years. Not just in quality but in price. More people can afford a much superior computer. The internet has also improved, dramatically for some people out side of major cities. Those facts are undeniable. And now you can sell gold farmed on retail to buy subscriptions. Many multiboxers on this forum have admitted they pay for their many subs with retail gold. If you don’t think these changes have fostered other changes you’re not thinking very deeply. These changes make multiboxing easier and more available to many more people than in vanilla
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No really, the same tech was around then.
Retail…yes. They make the gold in retail. Not in Classic. Classic is NOT the place to make your gold for a sub.
I say this as someone who played the AH for years then. There are some things that sell well, oh yes.
It shouldn’t take 2-5 people to compete with 1 person. It should be 1 person = 1 character. Multiboxing is cheating, exploiting, and P2W, no matter how you try to slice it. The fact that Blizzard allows it is the root of the problem. They shouldn’t, and that’s what we’re trying to change. If your only defense is “Blizzard allows it”, then you are a zombie, like those characters that follow the multiboxers, not a human with your own independent brain. If your defense is “nochanges!”, well that didn’t stop them from changing a ton of other things. Again, no matter how you slice it, this isn’t something you should be defending.
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Get real. The tech in some cases was available but at a much greater cost or for the internet only in cities.
There’s only one subscription for both games. I could easily use this alt to make enough gold in retail to play both classic and retail for free. If I wanted to multibox I could easily farm gold in retail to pay for my subscriptions to multibox in classic. I had so much retail gold I didn’t know what to do with it. So I sold it for about 10 months of play time. A sub is cheap for me so I just pay for it now instead of doing things I don’t find fun in retail for gold.
Multiboxing is fine.
Five accounts is also five times the bills.
And it’s not weaker than 5 players in some situations, it’s weaker in every situation.
Nope, you’re wrong. It was readily available.
Correct. So you don’t need to MB to pay for a sub. Glad we agree on that at least.
I get that it is annoying. I agree on that. However from a technical perspective they are not breaking the rules. Rules that existed in Vanilla too.
If they were actually botting I would agree totally. But, they are not. That is sometimes hard for folks to understand.
And no, I have never multi boxed. I have one account that still has the original text name from vanilla before Bnet accounts were a thing. That is it.
Being able to understand the tech, the company stance, does not make me bad. I also understand why people get angry.
Multiboxers will lie about anything to defend multiboxing. There’s not a single person here who doesn’t know computers have improved exponentially while coming down in price. The $1200 computer I bought 2 years ago is much better than the one I paid $2300 for when I was playing vanilla. And for many people their internet has improved over the last 15 years too.
Your nonsense is so obviously wrong it doesn’t need to be debunked.
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And people who don’t like multiboxers will constantly lie to try and paint it as something that should be banned. Although in this case I think you just have no clue, rather than lying. Seems more your type.
You really have no idea how low the technical requirements were to multibox in vanilla, do you?
Like I could buy the expense argument if you were talking about the 40 boxer the green brought up (which DID happen in vanilla, by the way.) That setup’s expensive as hell back then.
But 3-5 box? Not so much.
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I’m not saying people multibox to pay for a sub. I’m saying that in classic they don’t have to use their money to pay for their subs. In vanilla they had to work a job to earn money to pay for several subs. In classic they can just farm gold in retail a little to pay for subs to multibox in classic. If you don’t realize that’s one of several ways that lower the bar for multiboxing you’re not thinking very deeply
We all understand the company stance. We just disagree with it. We want to see it changed and will continue to advocate for that change. Which is what most of the topics on this forum are doing. Advocating for changes to the game. Sometimes it works, sometimes is doesn’t. But that hasn’t stopped anyone for pushing for the changes they want.
Just going to ignore you for the rest of the thread since you’re literally just spam repeating a #nochanges argument, which is not an argument.
You want vanilla to be something it was not. I feel that is a realistic thing to mention. MB was allowed and was a big part of the Vanilla drama.
Hopefully, you don’t get a sanitized rose colored glasses version. The game, with all its challenges, bugs, warts, etc…was what made it special. Even having to spend an hour hiding in a shrub in stealth away from PvP people.
People who want it to be something it never was, will always confuse me.
Classic is not like vanilla. You should know that if you played vanilla from beta and have played classic for a substantial amount of time. If you can’t see how classic has changed since vanilla it’s you who are wearing rose covered glasses. You can say you prefer classic the way it’s changed since vanilla but don’t give me that nochanges nonsense.
Why not?
The nochanges nonsense is just as valid as your nonsense.
More valid, because it’s what the company said it would do releasing vanilla. A museum piece, warts and all.
And I do not want that change, nor does this person, so we advocate against it. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Moreover, has anyone really gotten the changes they want? I guess the black lotus people, that’s about it.
Multi boxing isn’t cheating, it’s an advantage you pay for. That’s about all there is to it. Some people need handicaps.
No, I actually give a reasonable response. Instead of dealing with those points, all the #nochanges (and likely biased multiboxers) seem to want to do is throw up their hands like 12 year olds and scream “WELL IT WAS IN VANILLA OH WELL” without actually addressing the points and issues.
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Yes, it is. We purposefully recreated the mistakes of the past with ret, boomkin, elemental, etc. Why should this be given special treatment?
Not to mention multiboxing is equally allowed in retail, so it’s not even a no changes argument. It’s the same damn company policy they’ve had for 15 years. At least with other issues you can point to the future versions of the game and say they fixed it eventually, you don’t even have that here.
Sorry if you don’t like that. Not my problem.
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Because it’s inherently different. But you see since you riddle your posts with logical fallacies it’s easy to see why you have a hard time grasping that concept. In game design choices =/= out of game decisions being made by players, with third party software, that negatively impacts the SPIRIT of the game. You know, the thing everyone whined about being the issue with retail and not vanilla.
I disagree. How is the spirit of the game impacted?
Last I checked, you should not beat 5 characters with 1.