Mr. Hazzikostas, Tear down this wall!

Not every group is going to use discord . Maybe one where it is made of Btag friends or a LfG group but any one using LfD /LfR isn’t .

When I say do away with the language barrier in cross faction instances I mean make it so alliance understands horde and vise versa .

THere will always be a real language barrier between players of different countries and that could be addressed by Blizz adding something like Google translate to the game.

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I personally think they need to allow character to switch factions but remain their race. Think of it kind of like Death Knights when they join your faction, everyone hates them but they learn to accept them. But of course this would cut into their profit margins for faction and race changes so it’ll never happen.

I want the wall. I want the strife. The war-craft. What we have now is such a wet noodle. Faction leaders need to stop working with each other while the game keeps telling us we are at war.

When the opposite faction leaders were rescued in the maw, it should have been a necessary evil, not a prime mission to get them out. Like saving Jaina for the alliance, you run into Thrall and get him out too just because it makes rescuing Jaina easier. I’m Alliance, I’m suppose to look at horde in trouble and think “lol sux2bu #rememberthebrokenshore

That’s like saying the USA and Japan should still hate each other forever, because #pearlharbor!

After time, people tend to stop hating and learn to coexist.

Several races can already communicate which each other. Elixir of Tongues exist and lets you communicate with the opposite faction already so I would argue why even bother having a language barrier at all anymore?

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If you are going to use Pearl Harbor as an example, we need:

  1. a full unconditional surrender
  2. decades of occupation
  3. decommission of the horde military
  4. war crimes tribunals
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Honest question: what would be your thoughts on cross faction rated PvP. Since arenas are just arenas and generally teams are just assigned a side in RBGs anyway?

Edit: this is all under the presumption we have cross faction PvE.

The factions are fine, there is nothing wrong with having a unique identity and shared and common goals.

However, there is also nothing wrong with people able to play with your friends who happen to be in the other faction. There are characters and then there are people, and we as people should not have this solid barrier of a restriction. Other games deal with factions just fine (ESO has 3, each with a unique history and, apart from organised pvp, the players can interact with each other, join the same guild, do raids and dungeons, even quest together, because ESO focuses on the player’s gaming needs first).

I’d happily invite my player friends to bring along their orcs and trolls and…goblins…wince…to my guild because (aside from their iffy racial choices) I want to play the game with them.

Gawd, there would be such a rush of people joining each other’s guilds and playing together, especially if you could join one guild each per faction - so be in a Horde AND Alliance guild at the same time.

Sign me up, Hordies!

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I don’t like the idea of it. I know there’s an argument for it. The faction lines don’t mean much in arena and such. The reason I don’t like the idea of it, and I fully admit this, is because I don’t like the idea of the faction lines becoming more and more destroyed.

I’ll explain it this way: I firmly believe that people should have reasons to play both factions. I fully blame Blizzard for not providing enough of a reason for people to play both factions narratively, or otherwise. Probably one of the few things BFA did right was it motivated people to play both factions, and it was the first time in a long while I had a capped character on both sides because I wanted to unlock all the AR’s, do all the story, see both sides, etc.

They should do this more often. The problem with SL and Legion and all of that is narratively, it’s the same thing for both factions, minus tiny differences. There’s no variety, nothing interesting. So why would you bother? I think that’s a major problem involving story telling with Blizzard currently.

You’re talking about entirely different things, though.

Beyond storytelling it is also a massive headache to maintain more than one character at a time. Doubly so in the case that you don’t have a group of friends to lean on.

That said, assuming cross faction PvE and guilds happen, I imagine most people would want to potentially RBG with their guild. Obviously you’re not a huge fan of any of this in the first place, but which would you weigh heavier? Keeping already blurred faction lines as clear as possible or allowing guilds to run RBGs together?

(I just want to clarify that I’m not trying to start a fight or anything, just looking for differing opinions.)

Not really, they can use the social medias even in bg’s so they can use them in raids and dungeons there is no blockage on them.

Blizz isn’t going to force people to rely on voice chat for raids and dungeons. That’s the most nonsensical thing I’ve ever heard. Why are you even against this to push this illogical “just use voice chat” thing?

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This was discussed by Ion at Blizzcon. He admitted that it was a mistake made in mop and never got fixed. But now it’s too late to make in game changes to encourage people faction swap as it’s become a social issue over in game incentives

Yet it’s there.You want to fight about with me now?

What’s where? You haven’t answered my question. No one is fighting. :roll_eyes:

I said it’s there or have you over look it to argue now.

I think rated content has always been something that’s weird in the grand scheme of things. I’m someone who PvP’s as what he does mainly on this game. Arena and RBG’s always feel like they have existed outside of the canon world for me, in the sense that we fight Horde vs. Horde, and Alliance vs. Alliance all the time in arena and such.

If Blizzard goes full boar and loosens blurred faction lines and allows x-faction PvE, I don’t think rated content would be far behind. However, I don’t think x-faction grouping should automatically mean x-faction guilds, and just a destruction of the barrier.

If my four Horde buddies wanna run something and we have an Alliance buddy who wants to come with us, fine. But that same Alliance buddy shouldn’t be able to just walk into Orgrimmar or anything like that either. WoW is, at the end of the day, a game which has faction lore and identity. If we wanna make it so content involving PvE and rated PvP is easier for everybody as a whole, then fine, but I don’t want the factions destroyed.

I dunno. Honestly, I’m unhappy about a lot of things. This is minor in the grand scheme of things for me involving the game. I miss when Horde vs. Alliance was fun and something people wanted to participate in and scream about and had fun with. I get that it’s a nightmare to maintain more than one character, but that’s an SL problem. It doesn’t have to be a faction problem when we recognize we did it before pretty easily.

I dunno, I’m ranting at this point.

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I don’t know what “it” is or what you’re talking about.

I asked a question. Let’s try again.

Why are you against party chat, instance chat and raid chat being cross faction for cross faction dungeon and raid groups?

I 1000000000% agree with this. I don’t want to see unflagged horde in Stormwind either. I want quests to differ between horde and alliance. I also very much want factions to remain.

But, either way…thanks for humoring me and answering my questions, I’ll stop pestering you now.

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