Mount from Supplies of the Archivists' Codex

While the idea of giving players rewards for accumulating reputation with a faction after the exalted status has been reached is perfectly reasonable, I would argue that mounts and pets should not be RNG drops from paragon caches. Such items, if they must be put in these loot boxes at all, should be 100% drops.

During Legion, I reached appalling numbers to get all five such mounts from the original factions. Here are my approximate numbers (I was running my main and two alts – I did very few WQs for these different factions once I got the mounts, but I did open a few more boxes after I got them):

Court of Farondis – 66

Dreamweavers – 80

Highmountain Tribe – 73

The Nightfallen – 79

Valarjar – 43

Afterwards, these mounts continued to appear in later Legion patches, in BFA, and now, in Shadowlands. Thankfully, the drop rates are much better than they were at the beginning of Legion, but still not 100%. For instance, it took me seven Mysterious Gift from Ve’nari to get the Soulbound Gloomcharger’s Reins, and today, I did not obtain the Tamed Mauler Harness from my second Supplies of the Archivists’ Codex. I am dedicated mount collector, but this latest failure felt particularly awful. Considering the renown-based time-gating system to upgrade Korthia catch-up gear to 226 and 233, it is unclear why the reputation given by Korthian relics is half of their nominal value. Moreover, the grind for the relics is long, repetitive, and boring when done continuously for months. Actually, it sometimes feels like the existence of paragon caches constitute a behavioral science experience on operant conditioning to see how many repetitive behaviors a player can produce without reinforcement. Perhaps Blizzard has data that shows that it works, but I am pretty sure that BF Skinner never asked his rats if they were enjoying what they were doing. Grinding RNG paragon mounts in not a fun mechanic.

Finally, in anticipation of different comments that may appear, I do not feel entitled to anything. You can view my profile – I am perfectly fine with the concept of earning rewards in game. Next, sure, some mounts can be “rare” or “prestigious”, but that has nothing to do with the pleasure derived from trying to acquire them. Finally, I know, “I don’t have to do it”, but that argument is simply poor. One does not have to collect mounts or anything else in game, or raid, or run dungeons, or PVP, or play World of Warcraft. There are many in-game mechanics to earn mounts that are quite fun, but RNG paragon cache mounts are not one of them.

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Yep. We’ve been telling them that since Legion. I don’t understand why the exalted rep stuff couldn’t just stay on the vendors— all of them.

Paragon caches could give things like flasks, potions, gold, a bit of currencies, etc. I love the idea of paragon rep. I’ve never been all that keen on my exalted items to buy being put into RNG boxes.

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That’s probably why they’re not 100%; Blizz wants you to keep doing WQs. Having a chance at shiny things keeps people running the content (WQs, in this case). It’s why they introduced WF/TF (and then reduced drops when those were removed).

To explain, Blizz noticed a pattern where raids would have very high participation when they were first released and then drop off a cliff once most people were fully geared. Once people couldn’t benefit from drops, they basically just stopped. Titanforging was introduced to combat that, and it worked. With that, people would keep running content since they basically always had a chance of getting an upgrade through TF. When they removed TF, they nerfed the drop rates to compensate for losing the infinite lotto of TF.

I mean, compared to Legion, the drop rates of this stuff is incredibly good.

It’s not actually 100%, but from what I can tell, it’s better than 50%. Normally more like 75% this expansion.

It really doesn’t feel like a grind because you tend to get them the first time you get a paragon cache.

I think the compromise that Blizz reached (not that I agree with it) is that the drop chances are much higher with paragon caches and mounts/pets/toys than in Legion. I have all the mounts from the paragon caches from Legion and have similar numbers on how many it took. In SL and BfA those paragon rewards have taken quite a bit less than the Legion paragons did, although there are still a few toys and one mount (Nazjatar :rage:) that I still haven’t gotten. Personally I’d rather there be no compromise: put them on the vendor to buy once you hit exalted.

They promised to discontinue exalted box mounts but went back on it :joy: nothing can be trusted

Yeah they flip flopped on the paragon cache thing.
I myself don’t bother for these things but I have observed how awful it is and not fun at all/or rewarding.

I’m baffled how they continue to repeat the same mistakes (lol).

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Good lord

Are you ok?

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When it comes to mounts from Paragon Cache’s, I feel they should be made to be purchased from a vendor once you reach Exalted status with a Faction instead.

If you look at previous expansions before Paragon Cache’s became a thing, You could purchase the mount(s) you wanted from a vendor for a set price. Then when Legion came out that all changed since you got the reputation mounts via Paragon Cache’s.

Rather than having a Paragon Cache you have to grind rep for a chance at a mount - Which is also not guaranteed - You should get the mount either from a vendor OR get the mount upon first Cache that you open with a 100% drop rate.

I understand some players are still trying to get mounts from Paragon Cache’s from previous expansions. Some players I’ve encountered have even mentioned to me that they have been farming on and off for the mounts ever since that relevant expansion came out they are trying to get mounts from!

As a result of this, I do believe changes are needed to make getting mounts based off of reputation grinds easier to get.

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This comes to me as Blizz made a compromise. We used to get 1 mount at exalted with some factions. In Legion, Blizzard removed them from exalted and introduced the paragon caches and We all hated it.

Blizz did this to increase player engagement and as We all can agree it worked tho there were soo much dissatisfaction with this system.

In BFA, Blizz completely removed mounts from paragon and put them back to exalted.

Now, in SL it is a mixed bag. You get your mount when you get exalted and they put another one in paragon caches to get you to play.

Blizz knows mount farming is huge and will use it to increase time metrics and engagement. I personally think this is fine, as long as I get my guaranteed mount at exalted. Also, I agree that these ones have higher drop chance than Legion ones.

Not playing devil’s advocate as I fully agree that archivist rep is dumb, korthia is a subpar zone that uses the horrid daily system and none of this should be happening to us.

However, I wouldn’t use Legion’s paragon cache rates as a comparison to SL. SL paragon rates seem far more friendly for the big ticket items. I don’t think I’ve gone past 10 on any rep and I don’t think it’s just RNG on my side.

I agree that mounts/pets/toys shouldn’t be in Paragon boxes. I like getting to exalted, buying the rewards and being officially done with the faction.

But as a compromise I’d be OK with all the rewards for the boxes, including mounts, be BoE.

That way you could choose to farm them or fork over cash to someone who did.

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We need more stuff that is possible to be DONE WITH so we can move on to other things (since finishing something gives a feeling of satisfaction). Problem is, Blizzard isn’t putting in a lot of “other things” (which is boring) and that’s why they can’t allow people to be done (which is annoying). :woman_shrugging:

I would also be fine if paragon boxes were just gold/useful consumables/other currencies(?) but here we are still with rep rewards we may or may not ever see despite having maxxed the rep. I have all the Legion ones, but only because I had 10+ characters farming tradable rep tokens from their mission tables, which I sent all to a HUMAN alt and waited for the DMF buff to use them all… It still took an obnoxious number of boxes.

This time around it’s just disappointing because, for example, I don’t ever expect to see a paragon cache from Archivists. That rep is beyond awful to farm. I’m not going to play more trying to get it. I’ve already made peace with not ever seeing the paragon rewards, so I’m not even going to try. I’m not sure that’s the response Blizzard wanted, but it’s what they’re getting. :woman_shrugging:

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