Based on warcraftlogs statistics for M+ enh shaman was the 21st spec, that’s overperforming by a lot? Also no I don’t see them going back to put out pvp nerfs after this. For prepatch.
This statement doesn’t even make sense.
It was clearly intended because…it…happened?
What a weird thing to say.
This seems like a response used when there is no real response.
No, what you said is just–as I said–a weird thing to say.
Just because something happened doesn’t mean it was intended. There’s a whole list of words and expressions in every human (and probably animal) language to reflect that.
Yes but when it’s something like specifically coding something, it most definitely is intended.
This isn’t some “the dinosaurs died because an asteroid hit, the asteroid was not intended” scenario.
Specifically coding and tuning something to adjust the power level of something is absolutely and only intended.
This not being intended would be like if they coded a nerf for mages, but someone screwed up and monks accidentally got nerfed by said coding. This wasn’t the case. Hence, intended.
just how neurodivergent are you exactly
Someone can do something deliberately and have unintended effects.
Never mind hes obviously trolling. You got me. Well played.
Tuning is iterative and complex. I think you’re being a little reductive.
That said, this was all clearly rushed out the door with minimal testing. I’ll leave you to interpret for yourself how intent plays into that.
Here I thought I wouldn’t have to explain what the simple word “intended” meant.
These forums are wild lol.
Where the rest of the people on here are wrong is where they are placing the intent. They’ve made no good arguments.
The INTENT was the percentages that each ability was nerfed. The unintentional result would be monks being too weak after the fact, which I never argued.
But the actual numbers, the percentages that the abilities were reduced by, were absolutely intended.
I feel like there’s a communication breakdown reading this back and forth.
- The 25% nerf was intended by the devs.
- The 25% nerf may end up being too much which would be unintended.
Both can be true at the same time.
Regardless I don’t think any of these changes were done for prepatch. Almost assuredly they are in anticipation of performance in DF s1 m+/first raid. When DF drops it will not overwrite or erase these changes.
Finally, someone who understands basic words.
Warlock bias is overflowing these days.
Do you even understand what these changes mean for PVP?
Affliction got nerfed - Significant Nerf to Sacrolash that extends the curses automatically. This is so welcomed and absolutely needed 60% duration nerf. No more rolling amp curses forever.
Destro buffs hardly matter in PVP. No one is taking Mayhem instead of Havoc. And 1 additional sec of Madness of Azj’Aqir qualifies at the most as a Quality of Life buff.
Demo - Damage profile had shifted. No more demon bolt 1 shots. No more mega tyrants. All it had going for it was sustained damage. But then Demo got gutted in the previous build by reducing all modifiers to dogs and felguards by 50%. So in effect, no burst and no sustained. They are fixing the sustained a little bit. Pretty much!
So Enhance got nerfed 25%.
200k spells will now hit for just 150k.
Enh dmg outside of full cd ele blast/primordial wave + critting wasn’t busted it was average on beta. The full cd ele blast/wave/lightning bolt needed this 25% nerf. The rest of enh did not. It will still b a fine spec if nothing else changes but it will be completely locked in it’s burst windows even harder than before.
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surely you don’t mean in participation? there’s no a chance you’re trying to use participation of one of the least popular specs in the game as a metric for balance?
enhance in m+ is doing like 45k dps overall (wws being the highest at over 50 in some keys)
no where does it say these don’t carry over and are exclusively applied to prepatch
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Looking at the overall ranks, went to the dps rankings and the sentiment about this on pve forums, this was an over nerf according to them for a spec that was apparently according to them top 5 and this nerf based on what they have to say puts it bottom 5.
I said “for prepatch” as in I don’t think we will see pvp specific tuning that’s intended for DF that happens now. As for the nerf itself that will more than likely apply to DF, I’ve already said my peace on that in a post above yours.
obviously they had oneshots, but outside of that was it actually?
this is what needed changing
even if they couldn’t fix they can do the lazy thing of
ele blast nerfed by x in pvp combat
lightning bolt nerfed b x in pvp combat
and if that hurt them too much
stormstrike/lava lash/flameshock buffed by x in pvp combat
see that’s where you’re wrong and lazy
they needed to cap overflowing maelstrom at 150% in pvp (currently 250%)
and cap elemental spirits elemental buffs at 10% each
the modifiers are the issue
if you nerf base spells they become pointless without the modifier making playing any other non gimmick build worse in the process for no reason
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