More in the “this doesn’t make sense” department

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Why do Druids and Shaman - supposedly protectors of nature and life etc - have to complete quests to massacre various animals, sea creatures and birds em masse?
And if we say “no I’m a Druid” we can’t progress.

And how about Holy Priests dedicated to healing life having to massacre humans, Goblins and other humanoids, again just to progress?

Or how about Dark Iron Dwarves massacring Dark Iron Dwarfs?

The whole mandatory quest line thing destroys and sense of RPGing.

And don’t get me started on Tauren Druids siding alongside undead… I mean… what the…?

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I agree with all of the RPG stuff, but the Tauren were actually the ones who vouched for the Undead during the formation of Thrall’s Horde.

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If you want to rp then go to goldshire, they aren’t going to make their jobs much harder by making quests around an inflated sense of immersion

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Predation is a part of the natural order. Things must die so others must live, it really is the natural order of things.
Druids aren’t prancing tree-hugging hippie mages, you only have to look at Goldrinn for a few seconds to figure that out. He’s an angry doggie.
Shamans are more connected to the elements than animals - and the elements of Azeroth are angry, violent, chaotic things that go nuts unless coaxed out of it. Shamans are sort of the hostage negotiator of the natural world.

For Holy Priests, it’s actually pretty understandable to go a-crusading. Paladins, too. Azeroth is a harsh setting, and sometimes Evil has to get the snot kicked out of it.

Dark Irons killing Dark Irons… I suppose you’ve never heard of a civil war?

And the tauren druids were the ones who actually argued to bring the undead into the Horde. Hamuul Runetotem argued they could be redeemed. Joke’s on him, I guess.

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i guess you have never been to Chicago.

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Look, I’m not a muderer… but 20g is 20g.

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Druids and Shamans aren’t tree hugging hippies. They know that for some to live, others must die, whether it’s to feed themselves, or simply as a cull.

Even DEHTA, the most tree-hugging of all the Druid groups will happily murder if they believe it serves the greater good.

As an adventurer, you’re not nearly so moral. You’ve got bills to pay and sometimes those bills are paid by collecting 10 Boar Snouts.

WoW religions don’t really have the luxury of being pacifistic. Not even the Church of Light, let alone other religious sects which other racial Priests would come from (such as Night Elf Priestesses like Tyrande, or Troll Priests who gain their power from worshipping a Loa, like Bwonsamdi).

The Church of the Holy Light is about healing and protecting primarily, but sometimes the best way to heal and protect is to smite something before it becomes a threat.

Same reason why Death Knights are still slaughtering the Scarlet Crusade for Arthas in their intro, or why you can go to Alternate Universe Draenor and murder a whole bunch of Mag’har, or why characters like Illidan can be in multiple places at once, as well as being both hostile and friendly to you in those places.

The actual in-game universe simply cannot keep pace with the story. If it did, there’d be practically nothing to do in older zones as much of the conflict would have been resolved. Dark Irons are now a part of the Alliance, just as Blackrock and Laughing Skull Orcs (from AU) are part of the Horde.

WoW was never an open ended RPG though. You never had the luxury of saying “no, I don’t want to do the main storyline. I’m gunna go do everything else instead”. It isn’t Skyrim, it’s not Divinity Original Sin and it’s not the Witcher.

The mechanics of the game will always take precendence over the story. And the mechanics of the game dictate that there must always be dungeons to do, raid to raid, and boar butts to collect.

This one actually has a pretty clear explanation. When Sylvanas established the Forsaken, she sent emissaries and letters to basically everyone. Most were either sent back, or in more cases, straight up killed since pretty much every race associated Undead with the Scourge, but the Tauren, specifically Hamuul Runetotem saw the Forsaken as not monsters, but victims of the Scourge’s curse and as such, thought that working with them on a cure for Undeath was a worthy purpose.

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True, but we also have to look at the Tauren that gave the most aid to the Forsaken: Magatha Grimtotem. I am not saying all the forsaken were bad, but we really should keep her in mind when discussing the relationship between the Tauren and the Forsaken. Why would Magatha, a rival of Cairn and the one that lead to Cairn’s death, help the forsaken? Why was she the one to provide the most aid to the forsaken? why should we trust any that she helped after she was EXILED?

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Magatha’s exile was years after the Forsaken’s admittance to the Horde.

If the Wrathgate wasn’t enough to get the Forsaken kicked out of the Horde, the fact Magatha was sympathetic to them (or maybe just wanted to utilize their apothecaries expertise) is fairly irrelevant in the larger scheme of things.

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Only reason it was not was cause Sylvanas pinned it all on the dreadlord and Putress.

True, but it does add another layer, like if Hamuul was the main one arguing for the forsaken and Magatha was the second, maybe they met different kinds of forsaken. To put it another way, I would not want to kick the forsaken out after Magatha’s exile, but any she spoke highly about I’d be suspicious of, or the fact she was so friendly to them would make me want to keep an eye on the forsaken and see who would have had the support of Hamuul and who was more with Magatha.

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you think that’s weird? wait until you find out how vouched for the undead joining the horde… (unless it was reconned while I wasn’t looking)

but basically, wow is a game first and a storytelling medium second.

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Imagine being this wrong.

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You expect them to design every expansion without a kill quest or make kill quests optional because some healer wants to not hurt anyone?

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Why do Trolls create threads on a forum that are meant to incite conflict among it’s posters?

Shouldn’t they be practicing Voodoo instead? Is this digital hexing? When does Hakkar get involved?

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Why not???

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I’d imagine they definitely would have had different motivations for helping the Forsaken.

The Undead had a reputation for expertise in concoctions that Magatha would have found incredibly useful, and Hamuul believed that the Forsaken could be “cured”, either physically or spiritually.

Either way, Magatha’s assistance wouldn’t really cast an aspersion on the Forsaken once she tried to usurp the leadership of Thunder Bluff anymore than Sylvanas’ treachery would cause people to doubt the Blood Elves.

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No and neither does anyone else. We expect them to make quests that make sense. I would HIGHLY recommend you look up the DnD term ‘murder hobo’ and why people accuse Blizzard of it.

As for making certain quests optional, they already do that and it’s really not that hard all

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“Murder hobo” is totally the appropriate term. It’s a huge problem and actually makes for boring RPG gaming.

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Allegedly, culling is necessary to maintain the balance of nature. I think that’s a load of dark propaganda (I think nature looks after itself pretty well).

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