Sorry if I’m coming across that way. Put yourself in my shoes for a moment - I just wanted a few voidy and non-voidy skins for Entropic Embrace and my thread was suddenly filled with comments like “oh boy give a mouse a cookie” or “if you want a high elf play horde”.
I respect of course those who wouldn’t like non-voidy options for Void Elves, but to me it looks like these people don’t understand that we’re asking for more options, not to remove them, as some posters here have accused me of doing personally.
That’s true, but the point of these forums is discussion.
If someone wants to come on here and voice an opinion that they want racials changed in a way that doesn’t really fit the race themes or for a class to be given to a race even if it doesn’t fit lore. That is their right. I wouldn’t stop them if I could.
But I have the right to voice my opinion against it. Like this thread. I don’t have an issue with the theory of a gradient entropic embrace. If it was a glyph or didn’t have the non void option. I think changing a void elf racial in a way that gets rid of the void elf flavor (even optionally) is just a bit too far in my opinion.
I’ve given them honest feed and constructive feed back.
Their idea has merit, but I think it either needs to get ride of the no void option or be a glyph.
How is that unfair.
I agree with you under certain conditions. Maybe saying it gets rid of the void theme is too much. Maybe it would be better to say I’m not a fan of what could be seen as an over-saturation of no void elf customization for the void elf race.
I’m worried that it’ll eventually become the case where the “Void” part of void elves stops being the priority.
Yes, it is a slippery slope thing. i could be off base in the long run. I don’t think Blizzard is actually going to give more non void elf options to the void elves.
Still, this is a discussion forum. We’re talking about an opinion. My opinion on racial changes and non racial classes being add is that it will in fact do what I said above.
That’s a valid concern, and you saying its not because it’s not for you doesn’t make it less so.
Also your examples aren’t apples to apples. They would be if I was saying that the current customization options are the issue.
They aren’t. I think that kind customization is a good thing. You’re strawmanning me again.
You changed my arguement to seem like I was arguing against the customization that’s coming out with the looks. By comparing it the the wildhammer or raventusk customizations.
I’ve said before that I was completely down with the high elf customization and that isn’t where my concerns are coming from.
It feels like you’re completely disregarding anything I have to say in order to argue against what you want me to be arguing. Which is some kind of anti-high elf rhetoric? Which, isn’t the case at all. I have no hate towards helf fans.
I think you are quite literally my favourite poster on the topic of the new high elf void elf customization options at this point.
You’ve pointed out again and again the inconsistencies with the stances people are taking against void elves getting proper high elf representation.
I literally could quote everything you have written and type 100%.
People saying entropic embrace is crucial to the void elf identity, while simultaneously playing a void elf holy or discipline priest is laughable. Then arguing their spec is a gameplay mechanic and trying to say entropic embrace isn’t. The ‘confirmation bias’ (a psychological term for those that don’t know) is wild. People can’t pick and choose when the logic they use to argue their point applies to them. Well I guess they can, but it looks stupid.
The Alliance is finally getting high elves and people can’t handle it, because they’ve been so negative, inconsiderate and ruthless about it for years.
Most people want to be able to play the character that THEY have always wanted to play, they don’t care what someone else rolls.
Me playing a high elf ranger has zero impact on a void elf discipline priest (lol).
I was just offering logic you didn’t expect. I didn’t change your argument.
I’m replying directly to your quote… and if I was trying to strawman you, then it behooves me to not even quote you because then it’s less evident if I’m trying to change your argument.
I don’t think you’re an anti-high-elfer. I’m just talking.
But on this topic,
Lets say they offered Wildhammer customizations to Bronzebeards…
But isn’t it far more plausible that with Alleria and Locus Walker there, new Void Elves would be learning from them through a controlled and tested process rather than trying to recreate a ritual meant to turn Umbric’s squad into Void Ethereals, and figure out just the right time, and just the right way, to interrupt it?
Alleria came about her powers gradually. Umbric’s squad had this power thrust upon them immediately and forcibly. The dangers of trying to repeat that rather violent process vs. the relative safety and control of Alleria’s gradual process should make it clear to anyone that Alleria’s process is the better choice. It also easily explains the new customization options in a very plausible and logical way.
Alleria is the original Void Elf. Her path to power is not exclusive to her as we can see by conversations between her and Locus Walker during her arc on Argus. That you think it’s more realistic to try to recreate a risky ritual that isn’t actually intended to make Void Elves, over using a tried and true method that we know the steps for and know works, is just… baffling.
I… nevermind. Sure… logic I didn’t expect. Definitely not comparing apples to oranges.
I suspect they would ask for shaman to be playable. I see your point. But I don’t think I would disregard people who didn’t want the shaman class to be playable. I would try to find out their reasoning.
My reasoning is simple. I think the addition of paladin to void elves hurts the void elf lore more than it adds.
Options should add to the race. Not take a way. Also, Blizzard came out and said that the Dwarf race represents both Bronzebeard and Wildhammer.
They haven’t said that about void elves/half elves yet. We’ve just gotten some customization options to allow for a bit of easier rp.
IF they come out and say it, I’d be a lot less hesitant.
Rhetorical logic has always been with playable High Elves, because they exist and are observable.
They’ve chosen to give Void Elf customizations for High Elves, so now you run into all of the mechanical difficulties of that decision.
They could get around it by saying that Void Elves are recruiting High Elves, or that Void Elves have learned how to hide their void skin color. But either one could start an internet fire so it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
So… Here we are. The limbo won’t solve anything, but it’s a step.