More Classes for Warglaives

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Alright, so you wanted warglaives to be demon hunter-exclusive because they were the fancy new class in Legion and you wanted them to have all their special bells and whistles. An exclusive weapon type was still probably going overboard with all the other special exclusive stuff in their kit, but whatever, weapon drops didn’t exist in Legion anyway because we were all stuck in that one-and-done artifact weapon system.

But we’re not anymore. Warglaives being exclusive to demon hunters was always a dubious decision lorewise, as plenty of non-demon hunters have used glaives (and even used them as their signature weapons) before and since Legion, and now it’s frustrating gameplay to have an entire weapon type that you can’t so much as collect a transmog for if you’re not playing one specific class. It’s high time that more classes be able to use these things. To that end, let’s go through the list in order of priority:

Warriors, Rogues: The OG wielders of the TBC Warglaives of Azzinoth, it seems obvious that both classes should be first in line to get access to this weapon type now. Warriors in particular have always been known for universal weapon proficiency (sans wands), and aside from demon hunters themselves, no class better exemplifies the agility-based weapon style associated with warglaives better than Combat rogues.

Beyond that, things get a little dicer. …no pun intended.

Shaman: Glaives have been the signature weapon of troll shadow hunters since all the way back in WC3, and shaman are one of the classes that hero is represented by in WOW. Further, enhancement shaman in particular have long been in a frustrating place in terms of weapon acquisition, due to Blizzard’s love of 1h swords, and being the only 1h melee spec that can’t use them. If Blizzard is determined to die on the hill of not letting shaman use swords, giving them warglaives would help to mitigate the issue.

Hunters: Like shaman, hunters are the other WoW class that represent the WC3 shadow hunter, and further, share the representation of WC3’s night elven Sentinels with warriors, who also used glaives as their signature weapon. Hunters take a back seat to shaman in this case solely because they currently have no spec that revolves around using 1h melee weapons, but should Survival ever receive an adjustment that makes dual wielding a viable option again, warglaives would absolutely be appropriate for them.

Monks: Monks absolutely fit with the agility aspect of warglaives, but their appropriateness is significantly reduced by the fact that monks don’t actually wield their weapons in many of their combat animations. This is obviously a subjective issue, though. More pointedly, the class has no prior association with the weapon type, and if anything, the unique animation suite attached to warglaives conflicts with the class’s aesthetic of weapon being secondary to unarmed prowess represented by its own unique suite of unarmed animations.

Death Knights: Death knights have no prior association with warglaives as a weapon type whatsoever, and are heavily tied to a very specific theme and aesthetic of classical European knights fighting with straightforward strength that spinny, agility-based weapons conflict pretty hard with. That said, they can at least dual wield.

Paladins: Paladins actually have a little more leeway in terms of the Euro-centric knight aesthetic than death knights, surprisingly enough, given the existence of Sunwalkers, and the case could be made that the glaive-wielding blood elven spellbreakers of WC3 are related to paladins in WoW. But, the spellbreaker connection is a bit of a stretch, and no other interpretation of the class fits with the aesthetic of warglaives’ combat style. Especially given that warglaives are heavily encouraged to be wielded in pairs, and paladins can’t dual wield.

Druids: Can’t dual wield, no strong prior association with the weapon type, and both the class’s melee specs subsume their weapons into their animal forms.

Mages, Priest, Warlocks: All pure casters. No pressing reason for any of these classes to gain warglaives.

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Imo, all classes that can use sword should be able to transmog warglaives.

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Yes let’s give the class that doesn’t dual weild warglaives.

Shadow hunters aren’t shaman. They are closer to shadow priest x rogue imo. And shaman can’t even use swords (last I checked). I’d rather them get swords than glaives.

Idc if we share the weapon but these 2 in particular stuck out to me as “wait what?”

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At the very least I would enable warriors to wield warglaives.

Warriors are the masters of combat and proficient with, any and all, weapon types.

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You are not prepared! - To use our warglaives

Nah, to use WGs properly, you had to be taught by Illidan.

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Hunters traditionally dual wielded melee weapons, if primarily as stat sticks, up until MoP removed the separation of melee and ranged weapon slots. They still have the ability.

They absolutely were. Their WC3 abilities were Healing Wave/Chain Heal, Hex, and Serpent Ward, which was a totem. NPCs in WoW identified as shadow hunters routinely make use of shamanistic abilities, including totems.

Connecting them to shadow priest and rogues is far more tenuous.

So all those Kyrians running around with warglaives in Shadowlands trained at the Black Temple, did they?

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It’s not canon, its a gameplay element to add more glaives.

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The Kyrian NPCs. Literally walking around Bastion. Wielding warglaives. Aren’t canon.

The idea that the only possible way that anyone could figure out how to wield what is effectively just two blades with a handle in the middle is by being trained by one specific dude is absolutely ridiculous. Illidan has never had a monopoly on glaives. Numerous other characters and NPCs have wielded them with no input from him whatsoever.

Unless you’re trying to claim that Vol’jin was secretly trained by Illidan in Vanilla while the latter was hiding in Outland.

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I like warglaives being DH only, especially those.

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Nah Fam.
Warglaives are unique to 1 class.

But Hunters? They have 3 Whole weapon types that are unique to them, and only them.

Let’s get a Tinker class so that way Hunters are the Only class with Bows Guns and Crossbows.

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Bows, crossbows, and guns are not unique to hunters. Warriors and rogues can both equip them, too, and for the first four expansions of the game, required them for stats if not as their only form of ranged attack. While no class but hunters uses them now, this is a case of game design evolving in a way that could not have been foreseen when those weapon types were originally created, and derives from those weapons having significant mechanical differences from other weapon types that would have major gameplay and balance repercussions if they worked with those other classes’ abilities. At the very least they are still collectable by other classes.

Warglaives are restricted to only one class in a way that no other weapon type in the game has ever been, and for what purpose? Just to make demon hunters more special? Because it’s not enough that they get unique character model features like tattoos and horns, or unique perks like double jump and gliding? And if warglaives are so absolutely central to the demon hunter fantasy that they need to be denied to any other class, then why are demon hunters allowed to use weapons that aren’t warglaives?

Warglaives have no mechanical traits that necessitate them being unusable by other classes, they have no lore rationale for not being usable by other classes, and demon hunters have abundant other unique features without also having an exclusive weapon class. They should absolutely be expanded to other classes.

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Here me out… new class Idea: Glaivemancer

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Warglaives shouldn’t even exist. They look cool, but watching them being used you have to wonder how the f they do so much damage with how piss poor they look in combat. Seriosuly, they are essentially slashing weapons with an extra 100 lbs of dead weight. They shouldn’t exist.

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cries in rogue Stupid demon hunters. I hope a demon eats you.

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Yes. But that argue is irrelevant in Modern WoW.
In the words of everyone’s Favorite orc: “Times Change”

Now ranged weapons are exclusive for no reason other than they are.

Dont get me wrong, the Exclusivity of Warglaives is silly and unnecessary
But at least the existing Melee classes have plenty of things to make them unique.

Hunter is literally the only Ranged Physical DPS, despite there being assets, lore, and inspiration for a new one.

I do agree however, Warglaives being completely exclusive is unnecessary.

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Give monk’s and warriors Warglaves. the weapon masters should be able to handle them.

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So why not make a thread addressing this instead of arguing about glaives (which you then go on to say shouldn’t be restricted)? I would like to see warglaives expanded and dual wielder hunters returning to use them as well. I’ve never liked that new survival spec was 2h only so I’m on board with the op

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Similar issue, It’s hilarious to me that there’s 3 entire classes of weapon, Exclusive to a single class, that is exclusively nature themed.

But in line with the OP, I don’t see a reason for them to be restricted

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All weapons are hunter weapons. So if hunters can’t use them then they don’t exist.

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I mean I agree that other classes should be able to use warglaives at this point. Warriors for sure since they are weapon masters. But anyone who can use 1 hand agility weapons should be able to use the glaives imo.

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