There seems to be a classic wow survey floating around. A few streamers touched on it. Some of the stuff seems ok and some not so good . If a polearm and a buff made you flip out you might want to take a deep breath before you watch it.
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They by god need to stay the hell away from vanilla era.
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āātalk to us please blizzāā
Okay 
You mean to streamers, right? s-streamers? asā¦asmonā¦asmongold is the community, right?
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Dwarflord was live streaming a few minutes ago and also staysafe. My forum rank doesnāt allow me to put youtube videos otherwise I would.
is one of the options āāallow aoeone-fairbanks to multibox againāā? If not, bias survey.
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My opinion is that I used to be really excited about something like a Classic Plus but Iāve been really disappointed lately, especially in the last year or so, about everything with Classic WoW (in all versions).
Itās probably why my disliking changes has gotten so strong, but weāll see and if whatever they do doesnāt look fun for me I wonāt play whatever it is. Thatās how things have been for me already. I just hope they donāt keep doing stuff to Era.
Here you go, timestamp 1:25 on this one (embed not working hereās the link) -
Staysafe reacted to this video so Iāll link to the original:
Blizzardās Classic Plus Survey - Sounds Good Makes Sense #33 (youtube.com)
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Haha I wish that would be funny. I been playing a bit. Ran into some high rank horde. I got them a few and they got me a few. Itās soooo much harder controlling 8 toons with using nothing but mouse hover but itās better than nothing. Blizzard donāt like me so Iām trying to keep a pretty low profile and not go overboard
Thank you
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Glad to see theyāre going more traditional in terms of a Classic+, but I must restateā¦
YOU NO TAKE CANDLE.
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They dont listen to Asmon, never have. They have actively hated him over the years and really only make changes that anger Asmon.
Blizz tends to listen to the hardcore type of streamers like PvPāers and high end raiders. Or small time content creators on YT like madseason who donāt actively participate in game politics too often even in their videos.
I can only pray they keep Classic Era as is. The wording is confusing. At times they say things like:
Revitalizing or creating new raid content within Classic Era
And then other times they say
ā¦features that could be included in a new version of World of Warcraft Classic
That is a big distinction that heavily changes my opinion.
If Classic Era remains, or they provide some way for āforever vanilla wowā to be preserved in perpetuityā¦ I am a huge fan of Classic+ as a new game version. How it pans out? I have no idea. SoD is the best case study but isnāt quite the same either.
If the idea is to hijack Classic Era and build upon it, thus removing the ability to play āvanilla wowā (and only leaving us with this new variant) Iām vehemently against it.
Vanilla wow is such a special and historic game. It needs to be preserved. Itās why Iām so against changes happening in Era.
Now if they made a new version of the game to deploy changes in, Classic+, etcā¦ Iām all for that. Just leave a place for us to play the closest game to vanilla wow that exists without pserver plz blizzard. This new version would be a great place for MoS for instance!
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I think the biggest concern about a classic + is diluting the population even further. Then youād have ERA, Hardcore, SOD, Cataā¦ thatās a lot of versions of classic. Maybe one day classic + replaces SOD but I also feel like SOD is meant to be seasonal and in my mind a classic + would be evolving and ongoing.
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I really wish they would socialize this type of thing in an open forum with the community. They know their surveys are going to leak anyway so just be more direct with us.
@Jarl - Great post, youāve mirrored my own feelings on it. I need to go through this video and see the kinds of things theyāre talking about, but a true Classic+ is something Iām very much interested. Just rememberā¦ minimal changes! lol
I suspect this is the most likely, but remember that thereās a lot of peope who would play WoW but donāt want Era as it is. So while I think some Era players would certainly go off and play Classic+, I think thatās more likely is that it would just bring in new players who want that Era vibe but donāt want to just play Warrior if they wanna bring DPS to the raid. Or want the option to play boomkin, feral, ret, shadow, ele, or enhance and not feel completely useless.
Thereās appeal, at least to me, for that kind of thing. Same with new content, but they have to be really careful. SoD shows what happens when you go full retail in a Classic setting, you just get retail. Well, actually more like WotLK/Cata but you get the idea. Itās popular, but Era shows that a lot of people really like what Era represents. However, recent Era discussions also shows that thereās a bit of a split in the community where not everybody is happy with the game as it is, just mostly as it is.
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That, and how season changes keep finding their way into Era already, are my concerns.
Agreed. I think a Classic + alone is fine, SoD is kind of that but IMO it went the wrong direction, although I know that some people really enjoy it. I tried SoD but it wasnāt my game so I stopped playing it and paying much attention to it, still the biggest things that Iāve disliked about SoD enough to chime in on are the closure of the smaller, more tight knit servers, and some concern on the world bosses being instanced but thatās more because of a concern that this aspect could work its way into Era too.
The problem with Classic + is that itās different for every person you ask, for me if it were just about expanding on unfinished content it would be fantastic and probably fun but that doesnāt seem to be a direction that these devs are interested in pursuing.
Really though if Era doesnāt get touched itās ok but history so far isnāt showing that to be likely, and the wording in that survey is not great. 
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Throughout all this Might of Stormwind discussion, a bunch of the #nochanges crowd are basically telling the rest of us to leave the game for SOD or Classic+. I donāt see how that benefits ERA in the long run, as there are a lot of us. My feeling is a population dump to another version of the game would be pretty jarring to the health of ERA. We can at least agree its a big unknown anyway.
I like a version of the game that balances out some of the classes a bit more to make them more viable, but that is not what most of the #bringMOSback people are even asking for. So who knows.
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The point I was raising is that I donāt think all of the population of a hypothetical Classic+ will come from Era. Some will certainly. Some will also come from SoD. There will also be a portion that will specifically resub for it.
The concept of a population dump asideā¦
I donāt think thatās necessarily true, but remember that āhealthā has a different meaning to a lot of people. I play on a server with only a single guild and I absolutely love it. Itās exactly what I want from the game and for me, it saved my WoW experience. By my definition, I only apparently need 30-39 people to play with and Iām happy, so to me itās a very healthy server.
Additionally, when TBC came out and the population of Era thew itself off a cliff, there were still guilds who thrived. A lot of guilds still on the server today formed during that time and gained their numbers because they had to form those communities in order to play the game. Was that a healthy population? Probably to some it was just fine.
By contrast, most folks who play Era on the main clusters probably feel like the population is healthy, especially if you play on Whitemane. Even on Mankrik Alliance, itās pretty easy to get a group for a dungeon at 60 if youāre not too picky about where you go, and Iāve had pretty good success finding leveling groups. Doubly so if Iām flexible about what role I can play. Ask a SoD player about Era though? They all think weāre playing a dead game over here and that itās a ghost town.
So whatever happens with Classic+, I promise you that Era will persevere. Especially for those who truly want that experience. If it does die out though because everybody has shifted over to Classic+, that would be pretty compelling evidence that maybe people didnāt want an unchanged Classic after all 
Of course, we canāt snap to that judgement either. People were saying that about Era when TBC launched but conveniently forgot that people had just experienced two years of Vanilla and naturally wanted a break. It came back strong and will again. I donāt think Era is going anywhere.
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I think expanding on anything related to the world/quests is a good idea. They seemed to do well with raids in sod, but I think they should leave current content (classic era) alone. Donāt ārevampā content because its been a monumental failure in every iteration Iāve seen.
āMinor class changesā better be extremely minor.
Keeping the old honor system would be better.
Gbank is probably fine to add.
Iām a simp for dwarf shamans/ud paladins.
Donāt add new classes.
Donāt add retail races, high elves or ogres would be cool.
any UI changes are stupid.
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Streamers need to stop being used for feedback. They are often affiliated with Blizzard in some way, or the way they interact with the game is abnormal and doesnāt represent the average player.
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They also influence a viewership that doesnāt necessarily play the game in question and will just vote on a petition because the steamer says so.
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The worst part of their survey is that it reads like it is written by someone looking for an excuse to add more retail into vanilla.
I really hope they donāt take any result from that seriously, surveys have to be the absolute worse way to drive development.
What they need is someone to take charge, fight for their vision, lead the team, and it will either be amazing or trash. With the survey we already know the resulting product will be trash just by the questions they asked.
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Thatās is what they are going to do. Unless they let it ride unbalanced. The path they follow has consistently been make it fair, easier, simpler. Reduce conflict points. Make everyone happy. Personally, I donāt think making sure everyone/faction gets every buff and every itemization they want is not going to make it a better game.
Things that make Vanilla great imo. Rock paper scissors, hybrid tax, less resources than players, meme specs.
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